We them and us, whose side are you on? 12 March 2018, 12:03:28 Quote from: artoo - 11 March 2018, 16:23:13A slight criticism here.Who is this "we"? seriously, this group we think is nothing I love."We" as a team is valid from my point of view, that is the artix dev team, not users.A user would become part of "we" the artix team, if he contributed, maintained whatever.simply said, I draw a line between artix team and users, and that is also necessary, frankly. I can't help but having to agree with @artoo on this, but the reason for having to make such correction (not criticism) to @ruby must contain further explanation. If we are to be clearly separated, we "users" with you "dev-team", and we know whether we are one or the other, what is the reason behind the explanation?Is there a clear definition of the process under which one becomes a member of the "dev-team" if one wishes to contibute? How, in which way, under what circumstances? Let's say I like to become a maintainer for obmenu-generator and introduce it to the artix repositories. Who decides on whether I will be accepted for this task or not. I suspect amongst yourselves you have some rules on who decides. Maybe we don't need to know until we apply. Should we do work first and then find out the rules? If we were to do work and it was rejected, does this prohibit anyone from using it? No known rules.Now we users only have the right to consume, that is what you are saying. Why do you feel a need to make such distinction, despite of me finding it correct. We can consume and like it and we can consume and say "bliaahh". We can consume and advertise "wow, wait until you try this good stuff", or we can say nothing so nobody finds out how good we have it here.The political content is that in a society of producers and consumers the distinction is always the hierarchy under which "the decision process for production takes place". Who has the right to decide about it and who only has the right to consume or not consume. And that is the fundamental distinction on class, not ownership (which under the current system provides the right to decide and enforce) but the ultimate unequal right to decide on production, hence consumption.PS In practical terms this declaration by @artoo can mean two things: 1 "we need more developers and maintainers. either join us or shut up" 2 "we don't need anyone else to butt into our business, we make what we want and we don't need any encouragement or criticism on what it is we make".The difference between the two has not been very clear, and @artoo may be a fine developer but his anti-social bursts of statements has never helped in clarifying anything.As @nous has clarified before, take it or leave it. There is a way to take, never participate in anything or mention to anyone the best kept secret, artix, and do nothing to advance the "cause", the success of artix. If some are so naive to believe it only takes quality and work to succeed and compete in this universe, a strict system of meritocracy as some would say, I can only respond by : "Haaah!!" So let's finally talk of community.