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Discussion about Artix / Re: I wish to share 20 years of thought about Linux!
Last post by mandog -
I have just under 20 years mostly Arch linux as my daily driver still use it now. but wish I could go back to the old Arch BSD simple scripts,
Artix has made great strides with openrc, runit, S6 so much choice from the devs I now run mate on Artix works well all this in 1 year and it nice to see serious users here unlike Manjaro openrc was the move to Artix was well timed and justified.
Artix will grow by word and mouth and become a real alternative for users of Arch that prefer non systemd  its not a Arch spin but a Distribution in its own right based on Arch 
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Discussion about Artix / Re: I wish to share 20 years of thought about Linux!
Last post by fungalnet -
I am willing to bet when an enterprise is hiring maintenance people for a complex system that RedHat has installed for them it is a lot cheaper and easier to find qualified systemd operators.
To find people that will set an enterprise up using sysvinit maybe harder and costlier.  Eventually if you are a kid aspiring to work in IT in a large outfit all this ubuntu mint debian arch manjaro experience pays off.

At some point of evolution I suspect there will be a split between "corporate linux" and "anti-corporate linux".  We must go beyond systemd/anti-systemd and dump a whole bunch of other things off, like Oracle-VBox, and chromium, etc..

My experience is scattered, 10yrs spread over 30yr span, from unix, ultrix, solaris, ... while I spent too much time away from any desk and only checked on email and the net late at night.

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Discussion about Artix / Re: I wish to share 20 years of thought about Linux!
Last post by wdna -
Well, I also agree "An init system must be an init system".
And I'm a strong believer in Unix Philosophy as well.

While systemd is not only an init system anymore (for a quite long time by now), it does supply a set of programs that all work in a similar manner, makes it much easier to automate and maintain production systems, and well maybe this is the point I missed - it's made for the enterprise, the answers a lot of enterprise needs and restrictions. something that can be overwhelming for such when you're just a desktop user. The enterprise needs that centralization of systemd!

And putting all that aside, I'm also not claiming there are no other init systems that can do the same, OpenRC is good, I used it a lot on Gentoo ("forced" switch to systemd again at some point). However, my main point would be: when a big company decides to deploy 200 servers instances for its operations in a few hours, it's highly likely they would choose an RH (systemd) based OS, because this what cloud providers offer, they offer this kind of system images because it's easy for them to configure it for their virtualization infrastructure and the system init procedures.

And again, you *can* do same with OpenRC, ... but OpenRC has no RedHat to make it a valid option for a wider audience.