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Artix Linux => Announcements => Topic started by: nous on 01 June 2019, 10:52:08

Title: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: nous on 01 June 2019, 10:52:08
Two new community ISOs are available for download and testing (https://artixlinux.org/download.php). Feel free to post any comments, suggestions, fixes and complaints here.

Thanks to @Nadir and the anonymous tester that provided an extensive email with suggestions for the first MATE community ISO and to P3d3f for testing and debugging the first Plasma/LXQt ISO.

Changelog
1. Calamares has been updated and can now install correctly a fully encrypted filesystem.
2. The issue with mkinitcpio.conf blocking installation has (hopefully) been fixed.
3. A udev rule has been implemented that sets the kernel I/O scheduler depending on the disk type (rotational or solid state).
4. Both versions feature now a fully uniform GTK/QT look! A new package has been created, artix-dark-theme also available from [galaxy], that takes care of that and can be installed separately. A bonus Plasma splash screen is included.
5. Pacman frontends are there, pamac for GTK and octopi for QT.




Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: nous on 01 June 2019, 11:01:57
Plasma/LXQt
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: nous on 01 June 2019, 11:03:53
MATE/LXDE
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: Seventh on 01 June 2019, 16:11:21
Nice work, thankyou.  :)
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: mandog on 02 June 2019, 02:10:17
I installed the KDE ISO last week its top notch work, just 320mb ram at start-up.
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: NickStone on 11 June 2019, 07:04:27
With regards to Plasma, have they fixed the bug in Dolphin that prevents file transfers to and from Android phones? I know there's a work around by using KDE connect but I prefer to use the file manager to transfer files.
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: fungalnet on 14 June 2019, 00:55:08
Small bug (possibly).
If one starts the live session with a non-latin alphabet and the screensaver kicks in due to inactivity, on lightdm there is no keyboard switching button or shortcut programmed for switching keyboards, so artix can not be entered to return to the session.  I believe you can add this button on the customized lightdm screen or have a shortcut to flip between keyboards (I use l-alt l-shift).
This was on the earlier Mate-live not the newer ones.
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: nous on 14 June 2019, 11:03:50
With regards to Plasma, have they fixed the bug in Dolphin that prevents file transfers to and from Android phones? I know there's a work around by using KDE connect but I prefer to use the file manager to transfer files.
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: nous on 14 June 2019, 11:12:27
Small bug (possibly).
If one starts the live session with a non-latin alphabet and the screensaver kicks in due to inactivity, on lightdm there is no keyboard switching button or shortcut programmed for switching keyboards, so artix can not be entered to return to the session.  I believe you can add this button on the customized lightdm screen or have a shortcut to flip between keyboards (I use l-alt l-shift).
This was on the earlier Mate-live not the newer ones.
This is a known issue, and it also affects calamares. Selecting a non-latin layout at installation, without having setup the keyboard layouts in the DE settings, will only allow localized input in the setup fields (passwords etc). This could be worked around with a dynamic /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/01-keyboard-layout.conf, but it would also add unnecessary, error-prone complexity, not KISS at all.
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: Nadir on 15 June 2019, 16:07:37
I am going to test it right now.

Because
The previous ISOs failed booting on a small 10"   2-in-1 netbook  ASUS - Transformer Book T101HA-GR041T.

The only distro that currenlty are able to boot & successfully install  that I tested on that device: 
- Ubuntu ( erk ;-( )
- ArcoLinux --> currenlty installed in dual boot. They are doing very good work around that distro, I think Artix project might learn or share a few things from them ;-)
  (Except their ISO & the installed system are bloated, Artix is the best about that)

(https://dyw7ncnq1en5l.cloudfront.net/optim/produits/150/35565/asus-t101ha-gr005t_fe8b3f1dbed16e6a__450_400.png)
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: Nadir on 17 June 2019, 14:54:14
Hi, here is a  report of install in 2-in-1 netbook  ASUS Transformer Book T101HA-GR041T.

The artix-lxqt-openrc-gremlins-20190222-x86_64.iso ISO does not work.
You have to be patient, because all along it feels like it crashed. fortunately I forgot the tablet for a few minutes, just to find out that actually you can get into the ISO boot menu if you wait something like 5-6min on a black screen (1rst image)

On this ISO menu, if you happen to choose to change the the kbd layout, it freeezes.

if you try to boot, you will have to wait on a frozen screen for 4-5 minutes  before the boot happens.

Until it definitively fails.

(https://zupimages.net/up/19/25/xm82.jpg)

I have to mention that when I try with ArcoLinux or Ubuntu, the ISO boot menu appears quickly, and you can actually install it after ISO booted. ArcoLinux is Arch based. They are almost the only ISO that boot (with Antergos, it boots but install fails at reboot)

(more on next post)
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: Nadir on 17 June 2019, 15:15:01
Here another report of install in 2-in-1 netbook  ASUS Transformer Book T101HA-GR041T.

The artix-plasma-lxqt-openrc-community-20190601-x86_64.iso ISO boots, but You have to be patient, because all along it feels like it crashed.



Currnly system is a dualboot arcolinux/win10, I will have to go further and  take 30min to try installing Artix on this.


(https://zupimages.net/up/19/25/glje.jpg)

(https://zupimages.net/up/19/25/3fen.jpg)

Desktop reached.

So for unknow reason, the community ISOs work better than the initial.
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: nous on 18 June 2019, 12:37:38
@Nadir If you press <E> at the grub screen when on "From CD/DVD/ISO", you'll get to the kernel command line. There, you can change "checksum=y" to "checksum=n", which skips the built-in verification of the ISO and speeds up boot time considerably.
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: Nadir on 18 June 2019, 13:00:11
Ok, thanks.
I just reported that because a random user will consider it failed because of the initial black screen (before the boot menu).

I finally installed the LXQT/KDE ISO, it works great.
it replaced Arco linux/systemd - compared to Arco linux I won 3Gb on the installed system.

;-)
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: Xyr0 on 19 June 2019, 12:07:42
2. The issue with mkinitcpio.conf blocking installation has (hopefully) been fixed.

I confirm. Established with joy  ;D
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: mrbrklyn on 20 June 2019, 00:10:20
Two new community ISOs are available for download and testing (https://artixlinux.org/download.php). Feel free to post any comments, suggestions, fixes and complaints here.

Thanks to @Nadir and the anonymous tester that provided an extensive email with suggestions for the first MATE community ISO and to P3d3f for testing and debugging the first Plasma/LXQt ISO.

Changelog
1. Calamares has been updated and can now install correctly a fully encrypted filesystem.
2. The issue with mkinitcpio.conf blocking installation has (hopefully) been fixed.
3. A udev rule has been implemented that sets the kernel I/O scheduler depending on the disk type (rotational or solid state).
4. Both versions feature now a fully uniform GTK/QT look! A new package has been created, artix-dark-theme also available from [galaxy], that takes care of that and can be installed separately. A bonus Plasma splash screen is included.
5. Pacman frontends are there, pamac for GTK and octopi for QT.







how can udev affect the scheduler for the OS?  The scheduler is a core part of the kernel and it schedules everything for the OS.  You can't have two running in the same system without ending up with resoruces locks and problems with semihpors.
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: gripped on 20 June 2019, 00:44:28

how can udev affect the scheduler for the OS?  The scheduler is a core part of the kernel and it schedules everything for the OS.  You can't have two running in the same system without ending up with resoruces locks and problems with semihpors.

I/O scheduler ≠ process scheduler. An I/O scheduler can be set per drive.
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: mrbrklyn on 20 June 2019, 05:21:45
I/O scheduler ≠ process scheduler. An I/O scheduler can be set per drive.
How does that work.  Hardware I/O causes preemptive interupts on the Work Cue of the scheduler.
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: gripped on 20 June 2019, 06:59:11
How does that work.  Hardware I/O causes preemptive interupts on the Work Cue of the scheduler.

If I fully knew how it all worked I'd probably be a kernel developer not a taxi driver  :)

But it makes sense for different I/O schedulers to be able to be used for different storage mediums. What is optimal for a HDD may not  be optimal for an SSD or a tape backup drive. And usage patterns. eg mainly random database reads and writes vs mainly sequential access could mean a particular  I/O scheduler performs better than another in a given situation.

I'm far from an expert. I just know it's a 'thing'.
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: cynicfm on 20 June 2019, 10:31:44
Okay, nice, finally can download it :).
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: cynicfm on 06 July 2019, 18:00:26
Hey, sorry for double posting howevfer i have got a question.

I have installed KDE .iso few days ago and laptop runs very quietly and doesn't heat much too (sensors show 35-40 temps which is amazing) and i wonder how this has been achieved, because i have also got arch linux installed and while using this something in the laptop spins like crazy, not sure if it's hard drive or CPU, here in Artix the laptop is just very quiet and doesnt heat much too... How to accomplish this?? Is because of hddparm?

Thanks :)
ohh damn i am a bit disappointed that there is pulseaudio installed by default :-).
btw i have already deleted pa

btw this distro is amazing temps are very low and laptop fans are quiet!!!
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: sphericalumbra on 02 August 2019, 08:12:36
Hello there, I need help getting plasma desktop up and running on my Laptop and PC. Thing is when booting from USB on both of my machines, it directly loads the LXqt desktop while when I tried to boot the USB on an old Dell desktop it sent me to a logon screen that allowed me to choose between LXqt and Plasma.

Since I want to use Plasma instead of LXqt, I need some help/guidance in getting this to work. I actually remembered that there were problems with using Plasma desktop on a machine running with an Nvidia GPU but that was when I did research last year so I'm not sure about now. My desktop is running with an Nvidia GPU while my laptop's on switchable graphics between Intel HD Graphics and an Nvidia GPU. Could this be because artix linux actively avoids running Plasma on machines with Nvidia GPU?
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: Nadir on 02 August 2019, 10:43:37
Booting on LXQt doens't prevent you to install plasma ?!
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: nous on 04 August 2019, 13:27:37
Hello there, I need help getting plasma desktop up and running on my Laptop and PC. Thing is when booting from USB on both of my machines, it directly loads the LXqt desktop while when I tried to boot the USB on an old Dell desktop it sent me to a logon screen that allowed me to choose between LXqt and Plasma.
The ISOs are configured to auto-login to the lightest desktop, LXQt in your case - LXDE in the other flavour. Seeing the logon screen at live boot is unexpected behaviour, but if you logout from LXQt you will be presented with the option to login into Plasma.

Since I want to use Plasma instead of LXqt, I need some help/guidance in getting this to work. I actually remembered that there were problems with using Plasma desktop on a machine running with an Nvidia GPU but that was when I did research last year so I'm not sure about now. My desktop is running with an Nvidia GPU while my laptop's on switchable graphics between Intel HD Graphics and an Nvidia GPU. Could this be because artix linux actively avoids running Plasma on machines with Nvidia GPU?
The ISO installs both LXQt and Plasma. At first login after installation you can choose your preferred DE and the login manager will remember it. You can uninstall LXQt afterwards but it so small that it's worth keeping it in case an update or a user intervention breaks Plasma.
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: sphericalumbra on 05 August 2019, 07:18:18
@nous: Thank you very much for your response! I'm glad that is the case, I will then proceed to try things out as I didn't end up installing due to me thinking that I won't be able to have Plasma up if LXQt is the one active on the live session before installation.
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: mibori on 12 August 2019, 12:45:02
Thank you. I have installed plasma iso and I liked this to use as live distro. It works perfectly with https://github.com/aguslr/multibootusb/pull/257

But how I can customise/fix bugs personally for me and for others? Do we have a repo with build scripts for this iso(s)?

P.S.: sorry for stupid question, I'm newbie in arch and linux.
Title: Re: New ISOs - Plasma/LXQt and MATE/LXDE
Post by: nous on 14 August 2019, 13:53:19
But how I can customise/fix bugs personally for me and for others? Do we have a repo with build scripts for this iso(s)?

Yes we do (https://gitea.artixlinux.org/artix/iso-profiles/src/branch/community). You can clone it inside ~/artools-workspace and experiment. You'll also need artools installed and configured. Play around and build your ISO with buildiso -p <plasma-lxqt|mate-lxde>.