I am thinking of devuan, or debian. Can't decide. You know just for if everything goes bad.
Btw, what if you artix devs unify power with devuan devs, wouldn't it be cool? They are non systemd too.
Btw, lastly I heard that debian devs thought about systemd, that they think they will explore other inits aswell. What do you think about it? Maybe archlinux devs would think something like that in future? So what will happen then?
Hi, just to name a few of the many reasons....
nonsystemd does not mean that all distros are under the same concept.
Devuan and Artix are two completely different distributions.
Devuan's development model is based on Debian's - LTS, while we are rolling.
We use using a completely different package manager, different package names, different number of packages, and different init systems (iirc Devuan still uses sysVinit, while OpenRC is optional and Runit is not actually there yet, while we use OpenRC, Runit and s6)
We are a different community, with different mentality.
In simple terms, nope, imho.
I have another partition with Devuan on it, for testing and emergencies - it runs without trouble although needed some tweaking to make it work initially. AntiX should work out of the box for a similar effect, it's kind of Devuan set up properly for desktop rather than server use. I don't see any advantage in Debian over Devuan from using Debian in the past.
The Linux and opensource community in general does work together - that's what open source is, I thought. They just work on different projects. The packages that make up an Artix OS originate from many distros and their users, when you trace them back.
Yes, the opensource community cooperates, on common fields
You could add MX Linux then too.
The opensource devs cooperate when are it concerns fields in common, but not as distros (projects)
I use Voidlinux, because of musl option and mostly because libressl is used by default.
void, alpine and vanilla arch
nothing. I use artix only... I remain faithful 8)
Me too
@alium, btw
Solely Artix, for any usage
Linux is only the name of the kernel. OS is GNU. Artix is a GNU/Linux distribution, and so is Devuan, Debian, and so on.
@topic: I use only Artix ATM.
Artix and Void.
If you just want to have a backup system, you can install artix twice, with different init maybe, or DE or both. One advantage is that you won't have to download the same packages twice and you can share the configuration of your most used programs by making a few simlinks.
I have used lots of distros (i distrohop a lot)
mx linux
arch
mint debian
fedora
manjaro
ubuntu
kaOS
debian
devuan
whonix
tails
solus
antix
opensuse tumbleweed
yunohost
I have also used freebsd and openbsd as daily drivers for a while
Currently, I have 3 computers:
a laptop running Artix runit
a laptop running fedora silverblue
a desktop with mint debian
i used: fedora, mandriva, ubuntu
;)
Artix, Void, FreeBSD
Mostly Artix as it just works and works very well. I have FreeBSD running as a server on raspberry pi and I might try out Gentoo once in a while as I've used it since it first came out a few decades ago (has it been that long?) Gentoo was how I learned about systemD and why it's so horrifyingly bad.
3xArtix, Devuan,Haiku,Void,NomadBSD,Batocera,MX Linux,AntiX
3x artix on this machine
Artix on five different PCs
I currently have two machines running Artix-runit, but I have previously used both Arch Linux and Manjaro, when I have some free time in the future I do intend to play around with Gentoo and and OpenBSD, but for now Artix more than satisfices.
I was a Debian user for more than a decade (usually I had a Windows installation alongside with Linux, but a year ago I went full linux), and then I became curious and started distrohopping. I've tried several distros (MX, Devuan, Void), but as of now I decided that my favourite distros are Artix and Debian, because almost all of the tools I need work greatly in them. I learned a lot about linux' guts while tinkering Artix, btw. Now I have both Artix and Debian installed on my system, because I still don't know which is better for me, rolling release or point one. Both have their pros and cons, but Artix is an amazing distro, I enjoy running it.
I use Devuan in some servers and Artix in my main laptop.
I am very tempting to try Kiss Linux (without systemd crap of course) but I don't have enough time at the moment.
This is our VPS running gitea and mail-related services, non-stop for 2 years. Why would I need to use anything but Artix, anywhere?
Arch Linux since 2004, and Artix as it gives me choice
Impressive, and just plain KOOL.
Came from Devuan, seeked a more pure implementation of openrc (devuan/debian openrc init is an odd mix of openrc, LSB, sysvinit).
I check out non-systemd distros all the time, there is a reason I remain here.
I have played with Alpine lately. Interesting, very minimal. OK if you stay with their packages, but due to their use of musl; difficult to get outside apps/software working, such as Appimages. And another odd implementation of openrc by use of busybox init pid 1 and initab to start openrc.
I have tried many others since 1997 when I started using Redhat, moved everything to Gentoo when it started, tried Arch, Debian, and then when systemD took over all that, I found Artix. I have a headless running FreeBSD, everything else running Artix, because it just works and does it all perfectly
SystemD does not spark joy.
converting the office over to artix.
like how ya'll treat folks.
grateful to be here, been long time since i felt 'connected'
to a linux community. something feels right about ya'll.
mrnugup
I use Raspbian on a Raspberry Pi because it's easy to install and so far it's been stable.
I switched to Debian when it's discovered that MS repos were inserted. It's been great with Debian ARM.
I'm thinking of using another distro without systemd or BSD in dual-boot with my Artix. Can you advise any alternative?
MX, Devuan.
Both are stable.
MX keeps systemd installed but uses sysvinit for the actual init, you can do this yourself in Debian. Devuan removes systemd entirely.
https://wiki.debian.org/Init (https://wiki.debian.org/Init)
https://mxlinux.org/wiki/system/systemd/ (https://mxlinux.org/wiki/system/systemd/)
I dual boot Devuan which gets occasional use and it's been fine, I now have an Arch partition on one machine too but that's for testing some stuff I can't do on Artix! Antix is related to MX and that was good when I used it last. The distrowatch site currently lists about 95 non-systemd distros although some are not exactly usable desktop distros but more bootable USB tools and so on.
I used Debian for a long time and then switched over to Devuan. During a recent upgrade to Devuan Chimera matters did not go smoothly and I rolled back (from backup) to the old stable Beowulf. When I came across Artix I downloaded it and tried it. Since I liked the simplicity, lightweight and DIY nature of Artix, I started using it for my day to day work with the MATE desktop, while keeping Devuan for emergencies. Now that I am more confident of carrying on with Artix I have removed Devuan.
I'm on Arch since 2008. Switched to Cinnarch-Antergos around 2013. Was the last mod remaining on the sinking Antergos boat until the very end, when it sank 1st July 2019. Don't use Arch or its systemd-infected clones since then.
Looking for rolling and systemd-free distros, came across Void. It has dropped systemd around 2015. Void made me to fall in love with runit. Once stabilized, Void rolls smoothly for about 6 years now. Keep its entries hidden in Grub menu, but once or twice a month unhide them and upgrade Void DEs.
Tried Devuan, Beowulf and Chimaera. While encountered a few breakages in Beowulf, Chimaera remains incredibly stable, without a single breakage at all. Chimaera is rock solid here. Switched Devuan from SysV to runit. But Devuan's runit is not as clean and full as in Void and Artix. It remains an unpleasant mix of SysV and runit. Then, never liked fixed release model. Like Void, Devuan-runit Chimaera still lurks in some partitions, but is also hidden and updated roughly monthly.
Was ignoring Artix for a long time, stupidly judging from distro name only. It seemed to be smth audio-video-media related edit: oriented. I'm not of that type.
Installed Artix in fall 2019. It was an incredibly pleasant discovery. Unbelievably, it has everything I was looking for:
- very close to the first eternal 8-) love - to Arch
- rolling
- runit
- no systemd
Completely happy with Artix. Rewards with a warm feeling to get back to home after a long trip. Don't want to move anywhere from here.
Briefly. Only Artix is in use. Void and Chimaera are still present, but don't used. Chimaera is close to be removed.
you just started a gang war lol
NO :-) !!!
Except for unscheduled panic...
Monday: Artix
Tuesday: Devuan
Wednesday: Slackaware
Thursday: Suse-Leap
Friday: Suse Tumbleweed
Weekend: freestyle
Since using Artix, I only use windows when I absolutely have to. Removed the other linux distros because they're too much headache. This is the most stable distro I've run, even compared to debian. Which would never work well too often unless I recompiled the damn thing.
Running w/ xanmod kernel, dinit, xfce, and sysget (pacman wrapper) -- Try not to scream ;)
Plus wine, lutris, and proton-ge runner, w/amd_gpu drivers and no over heating (unlike windows), no perf issues at all.
For those who want to use pamac, just install sysget and search for your packages. It won't break your system. I have to hop between 5 distros depending on what's going on with work and home, so every little bit I can simplify is a help.
Plus, grats to the dinit dev!
I can't find another stable linux distro that isn't using systemd that i like as much as artix. Though if pc-bsd were still a thing i'd probably still be using that. I have done many google searches for systemd free linuxes and many of those supposed lists included systemd systems, wikipedia included. Verrrrrrrrrry annoying. It's a bit like inhaling even a small amount of fiberglass, no matter how much you rinse your mouth and cough to force it out, there just seems no way to be fully rid of it. Until someone resurrrects pc-bsd, i'm likely here for the duration.
Systemd gobbled up the userland. Guys got a real NIH syndrome issue and it's caused undue harm to linux. Pulseaudio and the fallout from that was enough for the original ALSA dev to say screw it and I don't blame him. So, I went back to bsd (PC-BSD) until that was borked, fully. Lumina sucks as DE, and it hardly ever simply installs without eating itself. I built a variant of Arcolinux but didn't want to maintain that one on my own, and luckily and thankfully found Artix, so dropped that one too. I'm just getting too grumpy to care anymore. I use the xanmod kernel because vanilla is less responsive for desktops in X or Wayland. Anytime IO is filled the system drags. So, problem solved. And since I know what I'm doing I popped in the chaotic-aur and use xanmod build from there because at the time, it wasn't available from Artix or a member somewhere. Which isn't a complaint; they all have their hands full and it's very understandable.
Devuan was great up until the normal debian issues and then Chimera. All of these just make me feel like I need to shower with a metal brush and scrub clean most of the time. :D
Currently:
Home computer: Dual boots Gentoo and Artix
Work computer: Parabola GNU/Linux-libre (just curious if the hardware was compatible; will prob. switch it to Artix)
Teaching laptop: Void Linux
Wife's computer (which of course I maintain): EndeavourOS
Raspberry pi home media server: Alpine Linux
"Fun" projects cloud server: Arch (may switch to Artix if I can figure out how to safely do so)
"Serious" work cloud server: RedHat (don't have control over this one)
Don't need Debian. Debian developers are turning into corporate slaves with their strictly notorious "line of conduct". The ArchLinux community (and especially the Artix Linux Community) preserve true freedom (balanced, but freedom), regardless of the bastard political squabbles!..
Other non-systemd distributions I keep using:
Void: mostly sane, but some strange ideas like keeping old kernels forever unless you run a kernel removal tool called "vkpurge." The package manager has cumbersome, numerous xbps-this-and-that scripts and fairly bizarre command line syntax, even worse than pacman. But it works.
Slackware: Do we really need elaborate package management? I'm not sure. I've been testing Slackware (current) for over a year on Thinkpads and find no more upgrade hassles than with Arch-derivatives; in fact, I've found a lot fewer.
GhostBSD: The only Desktop BSD that works outta the box. Easy ZFS install (at least in simple 2-disk mirror), boot environments (somewhat like windows restore points only w/o the mess), sane choice of usable XFCE/MATE desktop environment (probably others, but I really only use this machine to keep backups.) I keep thinking I should do more with GhostBSD as it offers a lot more than just boring old NAS.
Nothing is needed except the Artix.
From Top to bottom (from top to bottom, the further down, the more rarely ( secondary ) I use it)
Artix Linux
Gentoo
Arch Linux
EndeavourOS
Debian
Proxmox (it based on debian, so?)
That are distros, i use daily directly or indirectly.
Debian i use for example, if i do some experiments (like vgpu passthrough) wich i plan to use on proxmox for testing.
Arch and EndeavourOS i use for bug testing and comparison for my Artix machine. To see if a bug wich occurs on Artix, is happen on Arch too.
And Gentoo? The Distro i started 2007 with using Linux mainly after many distrohops. Not really using it anymore day for day (dualboot). im keeping it up to day, and sometimes its fun to watch my System:
' user@polis
'o' ----------
'ooo' OS: Artix Linux x86_64
'ooxoo' Host: MS-7B92 1.0
'ooxxxoo' Kernel: 5.19.1-zen1-1-zen
'oookkxxoo' Uptime: 5 hours, 29 mins
'oiioxkkxxoo' Packages: 1398 (pacman)
':;:iiiioxxxoo' Shell: bash 5.1.16
`'.;::ioxxoo' Resolution: 3840x2160 @ 60Hz
'-. `':;jiooo' DE: KDE Plasma 5.25.4
'oooio-.. `'i:io' WM: KWin (X11)
'ooooxxxxoio:,. `'-;' WM Theme: Breeze
'ooooxxxxxkkxoooIi:-. `' Theme: Breeze (Dark) [QT], Breeze [GTK2/3]
'ooooxxxxxkkkkxoiiiiiji' Icons: breeze-dark [QT], breeze-dark [GTK2/3/4]
'ooooxxxxxkxxoiiii:'` .i' Font: Noto Sans (10pt) [QT], Noto Sans (10pt) [GTK2/3/4]
'ooooxxxxxoi:::'` .;ioxo' Cursor: breeze (48px)
'ooooxooi::'` .:iiixkxxo' Terminal: konsole
'ooooi:'` `'';ioxxo' CPU: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X (32) @ 3.4GHz
'i:'` '':io' GPU 1: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
'` `' GPU 2: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
Memory: 4570MiB / 64269MiB (7%)
Disk (/): 695 GB / 911GiB (76%)
Locale: de_DE.UTF-8
████████████████████████
████████████████████████
to rip and tear through the compilation of source code with the doom soundtrack in the background... >:( :D
MX on the "it doesn't get used often so doesn't get a regular check for updates" laptop, Also SysV (but can be forced to sysd if a person so desires)..