Good Afternoon All,
Thunar, when the side pane is set to "tree" shows two "File Systems". One is the real file system, and the other is empty.
I found one wiki that stated to install gvfs - which was already installed. It's irritating me. How do I get rid of the second, and empty "File System"?
Thanks!
Dave
Edit: I do have the network.mount in the gvfs entry set to false to eliminate the initial startup delay. Whether it's true or false has no impact on this issue.
Hi, can you upload some screenshots to understand the case better?
Sure thing!
Here you go..
Dave
And to further clarify....
It seems as trying to mount a filesystem, a non Linux one.
Have you got any extra disks/partitions that are non Linux fs?
First of all, THANK you for the reply.
And to answer: No. My system is pure linux. I had the same issue when I was running pure Arch before I got tired of systemd's shenanigans and instablity.
My wife is running MX-Linux w/Xfce under ext4....Same issue on her system. Arch using systemd had the same issue. This is not a new issue - I just got off of my rear end to do something about it. Was also the case under xfce 4.14, and the versions previous to it as well. So it's not new..
The Mate desktop and their file manager Caja - does not have this issue, nor does PCmanFM. Same goes for the XFE file manager. It's something unique to Xfce and Thunar.
FS's on my system: xfs for the tertiary backup. f2fs for the root and some other storage drives.
Manjaro - doesnt have this issue (I have client running this distro) - so they are doing <something> in the config to eliminate it - but in a VM, I sure can't find what tweak they've made to it.
It is most certainly not an Artix issue. It's an Xfce/Thunar issue - somewhere....I'm sure it's in some obscure config...... or dot file.
Thank you for your help, I appreciate it.
Dave
What's your
lsblk -bf
output?
UPD.
New version of XFCE has several issues, yeah. I too had to spend some time configuring it, although I use only elements of XFCE desktop in conjunction with OpenBox and PCmanFM.
If PCmanFM works fine for you and doesn't have this bug, you can use it as a preferred file manager in XFCE instead of Thunar (I find PCmanFM more convenient and eye-candy than Thunar btw). Just set this through the Applications section in XFCE Settings manager.
However, I use XFCE and Thunar w/o any such issues.
Also, is gvfs installed?
I don't have such issues, too. I do like XFCE, but I dislike Thunar, it's ugly and inconvenient for my taste. Luckily, it's easy to use XFCE with any other FM you like. But in XFCE 4.16, they moved open/close and ok/cancel buttons in dialog windows to the top, and I couldn't manage to somehow move them back to the bottom. This irritates me a lot, so I went back to using OpenBox with xfce4-panel (plus some other stuff from XFCE, LXDE and Mate).
You need to install the libxfce4ui-nocsd (https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/libxfce4ui-nocsd) and change the XFCE settings, to have the old look of ok/cancel buttons in dialog windows, back
(https://imgur.com/ePJK4B6.png)
(https://imgur.com/HE9QkYp.png)
@linuxer Yes. GVFS is installed.
@VictorBrand,
Here you go!
Dave
To all who are responding - THANK YOU.
And remember - this is not a new issue. This has been in Xfce for the last two versions that I can recall.
And while PCManFM is a good file manager.....I have several custom actions I have written in Thunar - which are not available in PCManFM. I'd hate to loose those by making the PCManFM "permanent".
As I too - dislike the buttons at the top instead of at the bottom of Thunar dialogs. I'll try the change suggested here in this thread....
Dave
It works ootb.
What is the the output of:
sudo ps aux | grep gvfs
@linuxer,
Here you go!
Dave
It seems ok.
This is really strange.
But I have found a relevant thread (https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=14125), please check it.
It may be a bug, as mentioned there.
A side note for all...
While switching file managers is easy, and I've thought about it...the old engineer in me balks a tad at taking the easier way out....Instead, I'd like to find a concrete answer to the issue - and then document the fix for others that will have this issue.
It's not unique to me. My clients have it, my wife has it, etc. It's for sure an Xfce/Thunar issue that has been around for the last two releases of Xfce that I personally know of.
And on the one client of mine that runs FreeBSD and Xfce...It's the same issue.....
Is my irritation enough to switch file managers? Probably....And then I'll move the custom actions into bash batch files for my personal convenience. But that doesn't give us a solid answer to this long-standing Thunar issue that's been around for a while...
It's certainly not a show-stopper...it's just a personal irritant for myself and my clients. We frequently hit the wrong "File System" entry when the occasion comes where we need to go outside of the various home directories.
Dave
Yep, I know what you mean (my self is an engineer too, not only an IT), but if there no solution to the above link, then it will probably be fixed on next releases.
btw, give a read to the link above.
@linuxer That was an interesting thread. I have a tmpfs mount in my fstab. As in:
tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0
When I launch Thunar as root (or sudo) - I have no such issue....And it shows a "tmp" entry in the dir "tree" that as a user does not show up......
I wonder if this is it...
Thoughts?
Dave
Well, according to your lsblk output, you have all your hard disk partitions mounted somewhere, but you also has two CD/DVD-ROMs, which are sr0 and sr1. Perhaps those two filesystems shown in Thunar are somehow related to the DVD-ROMs. What's your /etc/fstab and how are those /dev/sr0 and /dev/sr1 reflected in this file? There should be something like
/dev/sr0 /media/dvd0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0
Well, my thoughts are leading to the case of f2fs usage, ever since is still under development (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/F2FS).
Are you facing such issues with Thunar on machines w/o f2fs too?
Also, check this faq (https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/faq#how_to_hide_fixed_disks_or_user_locations_from_the_sidebar)
@linuxer,
Well I edited my fstab and remmed out the tempfs entry and rebooted. Issue remains. I do a lot of custom coding for clients, and I use the /tmp for my compiler so I don't beat the hell out of my systems PCIE-SSD.
So the /tmp entry wasn't the issue.
Dave
@linxer,
The behavior remains regardless if it's ext4, xfs, or f2fs. I've got several client systems installed with the more mainstream fs of ext4. Issue remains.
Dave
@VictorBrand,
Well - Under normal circumstances you shouldn't need an fstab entry for optical media....But as we are all wracking our brains on this one, I added two entries as you suggested to my fstab, and rebooted.
Issue remains.....
Dave
Please follow the section "How to hide fixed disks or user locations from the sidebar" of the above faq.
I just checked in the dconf editor.....and I sure don't see anything that jumps out at me.....
Dave
Well, on faq, there are sections not relevant exactly with dconf editor. So, for once more, please them read all.
@linuxer,
Sorry I'm not keeping up very well with all the posts coming my way, for which I am very appreciative....
Interesting tidbit...If I switch the side pane view to shortcuts, the rogue entry is not there. And then if I switch it back to tree view, it reappears. This is telling me it is a Thunar bug.
Thoughts?
Dave
There are no thoughts on that, if you have not tried to apply what ever may apply in this case.
If any old bookmark is there as a leftover, it can create the issue.
Please check all of the above thoroughly, before answering, cause otherwise it can be considered as spamming
@linuxer,
I did the hide stuff with the fstab file. And I did a hard reboot instead of a "mount -a".
Here is a copy...
Dave
fstab file take II
# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a device; this may
# be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices that works even if
# disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
#
# <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
UUID=8368fe86-1012-4d44-8efd-89527a494f94 / f2fs defaults,noatime 0 1
tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777,x-gvfs-hide 0 0
# Daves Mounts
UUID=affaeb88-aeb9-41ad-ba85-a6a7503a0b9a /AdditionalDrives/Backup-1 xfs defaults,noatime,x-gvfs-hide 0 2
UUID=f36a2fb2-b4fb-4876-a3d1-d85f02a867a8 /AdditionalDrives/Backup-2 xfs defaults,noatime,x-gvfs-hide 0 2
UUID=217bf509-bc3a-42f1-a0dd-75e6b6fd1ca7 /AdditionalDrives/Backup-3 xfs defaults,noatime,x-gvfs-hide 0 2
UUID=4db7a6a5-4794-4485-be69-7aefc58ceff8 /AdditionalDrives/Storage-1Tb f2fs defaults,noatime,x-gvfs-hide 0 2
UUID=8e445f3b-6e89-44dd-8dc6-5d1e4ed8aa0f /AdditionalDrives/VirtualMachines f2fs defaults,noatime,x-gvfs-hide 0 2
UUID=7120a867-5fe8-4e1b-b324-1af2d1ec5148 /AdditionalDrives/Storage-512G f2fs defaults,noatime,x-gvfs-hide 0 2
For the record - my selection of f2fs was done deliberately. F2fs is sensitive to power outages still, but the extended long fsck has been fixed. I also have a UPS in front of my system that is 4x the VA that my system draws. In power outages we have had here in my area - my UPS gives me almost one full hour before I need to shutdown. I used an Arch wiki to setup the UPS so that my system powers off on it's own if I am not home and the line power fails. So my data is protected, and I have a tertiary backup/mirror/hybrid.
Also, on other systems, the Thunar issue remains regardless of the distro (except Manjaro), and regardless if the FS is f2fs, xfs, or ext4.
And yes - I know, it's a difficult issue, and my web searches haven't turned up much at all on the issue - thus why I started this thread.
I am using up a lot of talented peoples time on this. Perhaps we should just write it off as a Thunar issue....and move on...
It does not show up if Thunar's side bar is in the shortcut mode, but does if it is in the tree mode....This tells me that it's Thunar's problem.....
FYI,
Dave
Same for me :(
For my needs I have been using Dolphin on XFCE for years: https://willms.pagesperso-orange.fr/linux/manjaro_dolphin_xfce.jpg
Manjaro is another distribution, not related to us.
We cannot "write it off" , because if is is considered as a bug, report it to it's developers (we do not develop it, we use upstream) instead.
@linuxer, and all who have responded....
I sincerely thank all of you for attempting to assist solving this.
I have posted to the XFCE support forums, and will report back to this thread when (if) we get a solution directly from the Xfce folks....
I'll also report back if the Xfce folks shrug their shoulders, or confirm it is a bug....
Dave
Well everyone, we have some answers.
The Xfce moderator linked me to a post of other users experiencing the same thing, unique to those of us with NVMe drives - even when Thunar is properly navigating those very same NVMe drives.
The other user has one NVMe drive, I have three.
When I read the other bug post in the Xfce forums, it also occurs on some systems under specific circumstances if they have a UEFI partition.
One of the other users has formally reported it as a bug....and it has been filed....So there is nothing we can do to fix it, except recommend a different file manager, or a different desktop if the situation calls for it.
I'm not totally happy with xfce since 4.16. I may move back to Mate. I am in my 60's, and I like the traditional desktop paradigm, as does my wife, as do my clients that I port over from W10.
I've used Openbox before with success....but it's not good for clients who are not used to Linux - nor are used to tweaking things.....Mate may be the next best option as it's super easy for me to teach new users with. I have a VA nurse as a client that I know personally who is using Mate. I'm an old US Marine from the Vietnam Era, and I met her when I was volunteering at the local VA hospital. I ported her from W10, and she is happy as can be with it as it is the traditional desktop paradigm, that Gnome 3 unfortunately flushed down the toilet.....That was two years ago and she's still happy.
FYI,
Dave
You can view my post, and the moderator's reply with the links to the other forum posts here:
https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=61581#p61581 (https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=61581#p61581)
Dave
I gave the Mate desktop an audition......
I am surprised. They've really improved a lot since the last time I looked at it.
So I think I will stick with it, and Caja has no such issues as Thunar..... I did loose my custom actions I'd written for Thunar, but moved them into bash scripts.....
Thank you all for your help.
How do I label the first post? [SOLVED] or [BUG], or just leave it?
Dave
Not our big, closr this topic.