General Category => Discussion about Artix => Topic started by: Surf3r on 28 July 2022, 14:09:03
Title: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: Surf3r on 28 July 2022, 14:09:03
Hello guys, saw Artix is ranked only 79th on Distrowatch so i have an idea how to boost Artix back higher in hierarchy where it should be. Saw after installation epiphany browser redirect user toward Artix main page. What if that redirect can include Artix Distrowatch's residential page to have more hits and climb up in rank?
Title: Re: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: pluto on 28 July 2022, 15:16:08
in my eyes this would only be an "unetic" manipulation if statistic.
There is already enough discussion about distrowatch, and they algorithm, because sometimes distros are on #1, wich nearly nobody knows.
i don't give much weight to distrowatch. Because for me, this doesn't necessarily give a realistic picture of how widespread a distribrution is.
As an example, Gentoo would simply be "forever and ever" at number 1. if you count the countless embedded devices.
Arch probably on place 2. especially now because of the Steam Deck (if enough people have bought the device).
But as I write this post, I think Debian would be #1 because of the millions of servers.
i can't use google, but i would rather trust the google statistics, how many probably searched for problems and solutions regarding distribrution xyz (i would guess ubuntu, mint, etc).
In other words, Distrowatch is not much more what you are willing to intrepret in it.
Title: Re: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: cat herders of linux on 28 July 2022, 17:35:37
in my eyes this would only be an "unetic" manipulation if statistic.
There is already enough discussion about distrowatch, and they algorithm, because sometimes distros are on #1, wich nearly nobody knows.
i don't give much weight to distrowatch. Because for me, this doesn't necessarily give a realistic picture of how widespread a distribrution is.
As an example, Gentoo would simply be "forever and ever" at number 1. if you count the countless embedded devices.
Arch probably on place 2. especially now because of the Steam Deck (if enough people have bought the device).
But as I write this post, I think Debian would be #1 because of the millions of servers.
i can't use google, but i would rather trust the google statistics, how many probably searched for problems and solutions regarding distribrution xyz (i would guess ubuntu, mint, etc).
In other words, Distrowatch is not much more what you are willing to intrepret in it.
the problem with using google searches is that we all know there are few people using arch and it's derivatives doing google searches because most people either read the wikis or go to the forums for help where they are told to read the wikis and most don't do a google search.
Title: Re: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: x230 on 28 July 2022, 21:53:34
But as I write this post, I think Debian would be #1 because of the millions of servers.
hehe that would share "places" so to speak in a contractual fashion with Fedora and RHEL :)
Title: Re: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: Surf3r on 08 August 2022, 09:31:19
Looked up again on stats and at 3 months time frame Artix is ranked 96, last place being 265 but 100 is listed from the main page. Think that guy Jesse hates Artix to the bone for whatever reason. First 14 distros are all based on systemd except MX linux which has along systemd, SysV as alternative.
Title: Re: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: Lancia on 08 August 2022, 14:08:59
Looked up again on stats and at 3 months time frame Artix is ranked 96, last place being 265 but 100 is listed from the main page. Think that guy Jesse hates Artix to the bone for whatever reason. First 14 distros are all based on systemd except MX linux which has along systemd, SysV as alternative.
Who is jesse?
Title: Re: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: Surf3r on 08 August 2022, 17:33:32
Jesse Smith is the guy in charge for distrowatch website. Probable he is the guy that modifies at his will those rank numbers. You just need to scroll-down distrowatch till the bottom and you'll see the guy's name.
Title: Re: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: nous on 09 August 2022, 22:23:06
I don't think Jesse modifies the ranking in any way. But I can surely imagine bots polling distrowatch through anonymous proxies to boost some totally unknown distros to the top.
Title: Re: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: Surf3r on 10 August 2022, 09:46:12
I don't think distrowatch cares about hits per day or any other number anymore. For example Tails has only 42 reviews and is ranked 31 and Artix with 198 reviews is ranked 90 at the moment. It's hard to believe a distro with less reviews can be higher in rank than a better and much positive reviewed distro. Second example is Kali linux has only 31 reviews and is ranked 18th. I mean how many pen-testers can be out there clicking in waves like the Golden Horde :D
Title: Re: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: nous on 10 August 2022, 11:01:31
It literally says so on its ranking page (https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity):
The DistroWatch Page Hit Ranking statistics have attracted plenty of attention and feedback over the years. Originally, each distribution-specific page was pure HTML with a third-party counter at the bottom to monitor interest of visitors. In May 2004 the site switched from publicly viewable third-party counters to internal counters. This was prompted by a continuous abuse of the counters by a handful of undisciplined individuals who had confused DistroWatch with a poll station. The counters are no longer displayed on the individual distributions pages, but all visits are logged. Only one hit per IP address per day is counted.
The DistroWatch Page Hit Ranking statistics are a light-hearted way of measuring the popularity of Linux distributions and other free operating systems among the visitors of this website. They correlate neither to usage nor to quality and should not be used to measure the market share of distributions. They simply show the number of times a distribution page on DistroWatch was accessed each day, nothing more.
1 click / day / IP.
Title: Re: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: Lancia on 10 August 2022, 13:26:05
Nobody should care about distrowatch rankings, especially for technical distros like Artix.
Artix is a fork of Arch offering simpler inits for power users, it's not a pretty graphical distro like kubuntu.
Those that come onto Artix using distrowatch rankings are not power users, they're distro hoppers who will download Artix isos, install them, play around with it a little bit until they get bored and go on to try a new shiny distro.
Also I'm convinced that there's some manipulation going on at distrowatch, the example I can give is MX Linux.
A while ago I watched a youtube video about how "MX Linux is so great!" and the comments basically shared my sentiment: Why is a distro I have never even heard of that has just come around the block is dominating the charts while famous and long standing distros like Ubuntu are below it?
Title: Re: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: Surf3r on 10 August 2022, 15:08:55
Also I'm convinced that there's some manipulation going on at distrowatch, the example I can give is MX Linux.
Yeah MX linux is strangely always number #1. Also tried it's sister distro called Antix and after install its Firefox ESR automatically redirected me toward some strange Karl Marx biography page, Antifa and also couple other bookmarks were predefined without my consent.
Unfortunately Distrowatch seems to be under political influence that takes more and more momentum nowadays so yeah we should ignore at the moment any ranking they come up with.
Title: Re: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: Lancia on 10 August 2022, 17:52:16
>Also tried it's sister distro called Antix and after install its Firefox ESR automatically redirected me toward some strange Karl Marx biography page, Antifa and also couple other bookmarks were predefined without my consent.
They're anti-facist and leftist, though I don't know why they shoehorned in leftist material into their firefox packaging.
Title: Re: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: Surf3r on 10 August 2022, 18:15:46
They're anti-facist and leftist, though I don't know why they shoehorned in leftist material into their firefox packaging.
I've landed to the conclusion they call it MX linux short from Karl Marx (Marx linux :o ). Not 100% sure but there's a tiny possibility for that to be the case.
Title: Re: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: nous on 10 August 2022, 20:57:53
They're anti-facist and leftist, though I don't know why they shoehorned in leftist material into their firefox packaging.
Because that's what they do, and it's basically expected from people who define themselves as anti-something because their own beliefs are severely lacking.
And before some smart ass tries to turn this argument against me ("you're anti-systemd"), no, my belief is strong: init must be simple, secure and stable.
Title: Re: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: robto on 30 August 2022, 21:19:47
Well , you should not care about the rankings ... Everyone has a choice and everyone tries to find the best suit for him. I never looked at rankings about anything because thats the ranking given by the people and not me. Their choice is different and mine is different. I found Artix to be the best available distro that suits to my needs and I don't care what other people do and think because I will be using it for me and not for them. I wanted a rolling distro free of systemd . Openrc as the init system( runit also if not openrc) and with minimal installed packages (not bloated) based on arch as i like the pacman package manager. so artix is the one i am using why because it have the things i wanted. ( however i want to use qtile wm) even thats not in the artix community but i forgetted about that and use mate edition becuase there is not other distro that has the things i want. some are bloated and many use systemd.
Title: Re: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: robto on 30 August 2022, 21:23:14
Because that's what they do, and it's basically expected from people who define themselves as anti-something because their own beliefs are severely lacking.
And before some smart ass tries to turn this argument against me ("you're anti-systemd"), no, my belief is strong: init must be simple, secure and stable.
simplicity , security thats what i wanted too. im with you on this.
Title: Re: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: gavincc on 01 September 2022, 18:07:43
Distrowatch doesn't mean much as its so open to manipulation - if you've been watching with amusement over the last few weeks, you might have noticed that some silly little sausage posted on the 30/7 and ever since then they've been flat-lining any votes other than their own post (rating: 4), which is basically a rant without any actual understanding, piece of shit (I'm assuming they've been using tor browser and doing a "new identity" so as to make so many votes in such a short period of time). But, looking on the sunny side, I don't wake up next to them, and whoever does I feel rather sorry for, that's on the assumption they're not just sat in there dirty duds all day eating doughnuts whilst trolling...now there's an image that could haunt anyone.
Title: Re: Distrowatch Artix rank boost, idea
Post by: Surf3r on 02 September 2022, 12:41:28
Of course when you see such biased rankings towards a distro like Artix that has so many positive comments and has so much to say in Linux world, you just disregard such ridiculous ranking. But i visit rather often that page to see how much and how long their dishonesty can go.