downloaded artix-xfce-openrc-20230215-x86_64.iso
CRC https://i.imgur.com/zx6Vmrj.png
iso bootting to live tty prompt login
nouveau not loading
startx not working
why?
Which ISO ?
Official and Weekly both fit your description.
Have a look in /var/log/Xorg,0.log, do you spot any errors?
Official
same with Weekly
logs attached
The Official iso works on KVM. From which I can see the display manager is lightdm. Xorg seems to be ok.
Show the contents of the logs in /var/log/lightdm and maybe try and start manually
su
rc-service lightdm stop
lightdm -d
Seems odd?
Weekly
not help
log attach
Now trying Official...
Same with Official :(
The lightdm.log on the VM I fired up has many more lines relating to the startup of X.
Just after
[+0.01s] DEBUG: User artix added
the next line is different on yours then the rest is missing.
So maybe it is an X problem?
Really not sure sorry.
previously at autumn 2022 all was working :(
i have old nvidia card
and at bootlog very quick i seen red * and nvidia word
rc.log
failed to load nvidia-uvm
found!
here too new nvidia drivers preinstalled at iso for my old videocard
how make nouveau working?
I was wrong in what I thought before. X is the problem. If you look in the log it's finding the nouveau driver but not using it then trying with fbdev.
Do you still have the older ISO ?
If not there is one here https://iso.artixlinux.org/archived-iso/artix-xfce-openrc-20220713-x86_64.iso
Path of least resistance:
Install from the older iso then update the system. Gets you to the same place hopefully.
enable nouveau at kernel boot
blacklist nvidia
remove nvidia and nvidia-utils
reinstall mesa and xf86-video-nouveau
install accountsservice
not help
lightdm not start
startx error
Trying to artix-xfce-openrc-20220713-x86_64.iso
Latest log shows X trying to use the vesa driver.
startx would need xorg-xinit installed.
Try the older iso remains my advice if it worked before.
Edit:
ninja'd
Worked! Thank you dear friend! :)
here preinstaled nouveau and no proprietary nvidia
but why at new iso builds using propietary nvidia not nouveau?
Absolutely no clue.
Maybe both iso's have both drivers?
You'd need an expert on the iso's and/or Calamares.
Hopefully someone will see this thread and try to improve it. It could be a problem that only effects a small amount of hardware a or bigger issue? Again no clue.
Glad you got it working though.
if have both why at first try using proprietary drivers, its unusually
The error you saw was the kernel failing to load a nvidia module. That naturally comes earlier than the start of X.
Further than that no idea or interest really.
The nvidia module load error is innocuous; Xorg will try to use the best graphics driver available in order of performance, unless instructed otherwise. That said, lightdm is known to fail launching occasionaly and you should try another login manager to be sure. For best results, use the latest AUR nvidia-NNNxx-dkms package supporting your GPU.
but how i switch to another if I can't do anything?
why its not booting standard method using nouveau?
it not good using proprietary driver at live iso!
lets you make default nouveau driver for booting live iso and users decide what is needed later, after booting to live or after installing os!?
The nvidia GPU driver is open sourced (or something similar) since almost a year and your computer isn't using it anyway. As I said, you can instruct it to use nouveau, just follow the instructions of the Arch wiki which totally apply to Artix.
what are you talking about!?
i am talking about recently official live artix iso with DE
why at last artix iso, preinstalled new nvidia proprietary driver and when i am booting to live os, by default it trying loading proprietary driver instead nouveau!?
I'm talking about your inability to follow simple instructions. Artix is clearly not for you.
LoL what!?
Simple instructions!?
1. i am download live iso
2. its not working because using proprietary driver instead nouveau
3. what i am do wrong!?
thats your artix broken and not following standards!
i am asking at second why last live isos using proprietery driver instead nouveau by default at boot?
in my case too new proprietary not working!
please make live iso with default nouveau driver!
PS kernel boot parameters using nouveau not working at yours live iso
You were given the simple instructions of following the Arch wiki for forcing nouveau, can't really get much simpler.
Let me explain for the last time: your system DOESN'T USE the nvidia driver.
Today's "standards" dictate systemd, thank you. Now, our long time users know what's coming next.
How it can be? I have nvidia card gf 9800. 5xx driver that preinstalled in artix last iso not working with my old card. Please give me "simple instruction" how i can use last artix with nouveau?
That NVIDIA card was released in 2008, it seems. My experience with XFCE on similar age NVIDIA hw is that it has been giving more and more problems since they introduced some hw accel code. I stopped using it so am not sure of the latest state of affairs. For an old card like that I would advise switching to the quite similar MATE desktop instead, and switching off acceleration in the desktop and browser settings. Chromium is better with old hardware than Firefox if you experience crashes or website specific issues, or use a Mozilla fork based on an older version of Firefox. Other distros may use older versions of things so give different results. 15 year old hw is more likely to get worse on updates rather than better, unfortunately, although if you are careful you can still get mileage out of it.
It's normal for the xorg log to show all sorts of drivers being loaded and unloaded during the boot process, I doubt it's failing because the proprietary NVIDIA drivers are being loaded, but who knows. I would probably start with the base iso and get that installed so I knew there was nothing involved except what I had installed , then build on that to try and debug things, but I couldn't give you a simple step by step guide as I would just be trying things and making it up as I went along depending on what happened and searching stuff online!
You could try nomodeset on the kernel commandline at boot, although this is not great for regular use it could get you to the desktop.
What is this thread even about any more ?
@deepforest you stated you got Artix installed using the older ISO. Once you've done a full system update the resulting system is all brand new.
yes, agree :)
i am just curious at this case,
how make work last arix iso at my gf9800?
where and what kernel boot parameter i am must set?
I have some huge guess ideas but that's all.
You were lucky in a way as not long after you installed, the official iso got updated again and the 07/22 versions you installed from fell off the site.
Have you tried again with the current Live iso ? (Another new one is incoming from what I read on another thread, missing swap option)
Also I'm curious. Did the 07/22 iso you installed also have nvidia on it. I was going to look myself but like I say them iso's are gone. The link I provided you doesn't work any more.
Anyway my first huge guess is that the presence of the nvidia modules etc on the 02/23 iso's is just a red herring.
What was / is happening is that Nouveau was broken in some way on the ISO when combined with your particular hardware and old nvidia GPU. Xorg should have loaded Nouveau but failed.
My second huge guess is that maybe some of the nvidia modules got loaded but not nvidia_uvm. Which freaked Nouveau out and it failed to load? Outlier but who knows ?
I've read a few things recently, not just on here, about new issues with old nvidia GPU's.
Total guess, you'd need to extract and diff both iso's to get a better idea.
Also this recent post might be related ? (I haven't studied it in depth)
https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,5207.0.html
If loads of people start reporting similar issues I imagine it will get investigated.
But as someone who did get Artix installed maybe just let it lie ? Or figure it out for yourself :)
07/22 iso have no preinstalled proprietary nvidia drivers yet
What is current?
From here all the same what i try at starting this thread
https://artixlinux.org/download.php
artix-xfce-openrc-20230306-x86_64.iso
artix-xfce-openrc-20230215-x86_64.iso
it is the mess, here not ARCHIVED iso, all iso 2023
https://iso.artixlinux.org/archived-isos.php
found lasted weekly 2023.03.16 iso
same not booting to nouveau
suggested nouveau.modeset=1 not work
Solved for me! :)
when artix boot to cli, start this command for startx+nouveau
sudo modprobe nouveau
PS but i do not know this preinstalled 5xx nvidia driver from live iso, also automatically will installed to new system or not?
PPS and one more question, why not working kernel boot parameters to blacklist nvidia driver and force use nouveau?
Thanks for updating the thread with your solution. 8)
And Thanks to you for helping and supporting! :)