General Category => Discussion about Artix => Topic started by: devosalain on 15 May 2023, 14:51:14
Title: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: devosalain on 15 May 2023, 14:51:14
Which was your previous Linux distro before using Artix and why did you move to Artix ? I was using gentoo-openrc , but i compiled the whole distro from source which uses quite a lot of electricity($$$). Now i install on Artix all binary packages , and only compile a few AUR from source. I learned Artix by googling non-systemd distro's. [Although i first tried Antix(debian), which has many communalities with Artix] Which distro do you use , when you don't use Artix ?
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: andyscott on 15 May 2023, 17:52:11
I used Arch on my desktops for a long time. When I got tired of systemd getting in my way and breaking things every other update Artix seemed like the obvious choice.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: rayburn on 15 May 2023, 18:41:14
I used antiX for many years before switching to Artix around a couple of years ago. I have never used a systemd distro on a regular basis having being against the whole concept from the start.
My main reason for switching from antiX was the desire to try a rolling release and free myself from having to reinstall every couple of years. So far, I am very happy with Artix, and impressed with how there are so many more knowledgable people on this forum ready to help out if necessary.
A big thank you also to the devs who keep this distro a pleasure to use!
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: tintin on 16 May 2023, 08:16:43
I started on Mandrake, Fedora, Mepis. Then I used Debian. I also used Xubuntu for five years, and Manjaro for a few months. But this kind of mess called systemd ended up exasperating me. :(
In 2018, I searched and tested some rare rolling distros without systemd. Artix Linux after a year of testing has proven to be exemplary: surprisingly stable and fluid! In 2019, many applications from Arch Linux had already been packaged for Artix. I found a very active distribution and gratified by a great forum.
For beginners, who don't want to get too involved, I recommend MX Linux (systemd is present, but not used by default).
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: doheka on 16 May 2023, 10:05:07
I am a former Arch user who easily migrated to Artix from dinit. I have used it on many computers and servers when I wanted to feel like a system administrator. The reason I abandoned Arch was because systemD was bloated to the level of the operating system...
Right now I only have one computer, but when I will buy a Thinkpad, Artix will be there too.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: corysanin on 16 May 2023, 17:33:02
I used a couple distros on the side for a while. I finally made the switch to Linux on my daily driver desktop when Windows 11 came out. I installed Manjaro. At the time I didn't realize it has its own release cadence instead of simply using Arch's mirrors. Turns out EndeavourOS is closer to what I was looking for.
Anyway, the thing that really pissed me off was systemd-resolved. It needs to be manually configured to use DHCP to obtain a DNS server. And it's not a simple on/off toggle either. The whole thing reeks of heavily opinionated design, which frustrates me to no end. I will never understand how this has become the norm.
Sure, I could use a different resolver. But I don't want to have to do that every time I set up a new machine. Much easier to use Artix and kiss that garbage goodbye.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Hitman on 16 May 2023, 20:09:22
@corysanin We share a very similar story :) But I moved slightly earlier in around ~2019, where some annoyances were already creeping in to W10Enterprise and they didn't longer allow editing of many GUI components, which were rather crucial to me as a Windows power user, and since I was already "plotting" moving to *Nix ever since 10 years ago since fiddling with CentOS and FreeBSD servers back then, and of course being a lot in the early XDA Android modding scene around the same time (before that was ruined as well), it kinda marked the turning point of my refuge from MS.
I also used Manjaro at first after figuring out that deb distros were not my thing and specialized ones like Alpine (which I now paradoxically daily drive on my mobile telephone thanks to PMOS) were not exactly for general desktop use where maximum compatibility is needed, and of course AUR is very attractive as it brings software from basically everywhere. After issues in Manjaro's maintenance and security came to light I installed vanilla Arch (first time manually installing an OS, hehe, I was so proud), since this kind of distro was already in my learning curve for about a year.
So I used Arch for a while, liked everything about it, but at one point... problems. Services would crash, re-add themselves very stubbornly with updates, complain if I were to remove seemingly unrelated dependencies of them, replace dns+hostnames without asking, even meddle with the desktop sockets (dbus) etc. Then the system would (and this is still a problem with systemd) refuse to shut down with those annoying never ending countdowns, like I knew something was amiss, sort of like a mocking play almost, with that particular popular "boot menu" as I was calling back then the tty messages of init :). I felt something was off, and then I discovered the problem. Systemd will never work fine, cause it's designed to only work a specific way, mocking you if you actually want to use a PC properly. Like identical to what MS was doing, and now since that guy who made it literally began working for MS it confirmed my doubts.
A while later I discovered Artix. This distro is such a well fitting compromise for the current times and at this current maintream-ish crossroads that Arch/AUR provides, that I'm willing to call it a miracle of my computing use! :) At least on the desktop.
I really cannot thank you guys enough and appreciate you for the battles you've endured, especially in the earlier days from what I found out, where even trying to point out that systemd was wrong would land you in troubles and making a system without it was an ordeal, and still isn't easy to this very day.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: riri on 17 May 2023, 21:52:00
I am an old Arch user, used it because of its KISS principle, to me it was a slackware with better integration, a good package manager and a huge set of packages, not even counting aur that I started to use after years.
When systemd has been chosen to follow what other distros did, I wanted to change but never got the strength to do it. Then I have discovered Artix. I tried during a long time (2-3 years) the different init systems, how Artix could work like my Arch before the change to systemd (aka with the same base, the same amount of packages, etc..).
I moved to Artix last year, using dinit for my init and services system, because it's the one corresponding the most to me.
I'm happy with Artix, except the annoying multi repositories for one package (because I have enabled Arch repos). I know it's a pacman limitation, but it's still annoying :)
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: wgjuio on 06 June 2023, 08:41:12
I was using Windows 10 not long ago. I tried a few distros without systemd and this is the one that is the closest to what I want. Still trying to iron out a few things but most of frustration is in the past.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: arch-mage on 18 June 2023, 21:01:26
I moved from Arch Linux. I just wanted an encrypted installation and, since my Arch installation was unencrypted, I made a partition and installed Artix on it. Then I found out Artix is more Arch Linux than Arch Linux and now I'm about to wipe Arch.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: lexcastle on 21 June 2023, 10:08:03
I'm brand new, havent been tainted with the poor practices of other distributions, and havent liked windows since 98se. Intel mac and the new M1 has been great and all but its a very "curated" (to say it nicely) experience.
So I hopped on Distrochooser and opened the top 20 results. I closed everything that looked low effort, inactive, beige, or generally gave the impression that if their devs had mustaches they were subpar and without substantial volume and luster. That left about 5 distros to choose from at which point I further researched and took up the advice given in the FAQ to search for systemd CVE... Saw the results, read a few and thought: "Yeah, Fuck that." Bringing us down to 2 maybe 3 options.
The installation environments and processes are much better in Artix .iso choices than Devuan. This was so easy to get up and running doing everything I have wanted to do so far I'm kinda wondering why Distrochooser says Artix isnt for beginers. When I build my next system after I finish the wife's itx build I had planned to run Linux as the primary OS with everything else (macOS and fucking windows if I absolutely have to) in virtual machines. Artix with KDE is setting a high bar right now even on a 4th gen i5 thinkpad. Love it.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: strange on 22 June 2023, 12:06:05
Back when Windows 8 and 8.1 came around, I made the switch to Manjaro KDE. I was tired of the way Windows was turning into more and more of a nanny OS, with cryptic and belittling messages. Being satisfied with Manjaro for a while, I eventually learned that the devs are a bunch of idiots who tell their users to change their system clocks to get around SSL certificate issues. No thanks.
Moving over to Arch, things were fine for a while. Systemd was getting on my nerves, though. Slightly less belittling but still cryptic and useless messages. Learning more about Unix systems and the philosophy, I realised Systemd loves reinventing the wheel. Despite being open source, it's the same opaque box full of scope creep and other retarded decisions, just like Windows.
Around 2020 I finally caved in and migrated to Artix with s6. It was oddly satisfying watching it gut Soystemd from my machine. S6 is very easy to manage and it boots faster and quieter than ever. Huge thanks to @Dudemanguy and the others for making it such a breeze.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: 404fox on 02 June 2024, 11:28:38
A stop job is running....[3 minutes +] Every single time, every systemd distro I used.
I also noticed that I interact less with services in general while using runit, whereas everytime something goes wrong you have to deal with systemd in addition to the problem.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: glgl-schemer on 02 June 2024, 16:03:44
I moved from Archlinux for systemd-free. Now I want to move to Voidlinux for logind-free further.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: secretfirefox on 03 June 2024, 22:57:25
I have used several distros noticing very few differences between them. They all work mostly well, but the ram usage started becoming an issue for me. I then learned about Void Linux and have used that for a while, and while it was good and taught me a lot, I found myself not wanting to have to setup everything myself. I am not extremely knowledgeable in package names and what I have to install to make things work, and I always found something was missing. Then I found Artix, which has runit as the init system which is light and easy to manage by nature, but comes setup with everything I would need. No systemd, ready out of the box for usage, access to the AUR, doesn't break all the time, no need for manually installing like Arch. What more could I need?
I started on KDE, eventually moving to Cinnamon and am now setting up and learning i3 alongside it. It is great.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: dexter on 04 June 2024, 11:30:23
My OS journey and why I ended up using Artix.
Back in 1990, I started using personal computers because the need was there (school). The gateway drug was MS DOS/Windows 3.0. I swore allegiance to this ecosystem for almost two and a half decades until I was active in the fruit department for a short time in 2014.
As I was dissatisfied with Apple's update policy, I switched to Ubuntu with the good old Unity Desktop \o/ in 2016. After a short familiarization phase, I started experimenting with other distributions (Debian, SUSE, Manjaro, MX, Devuan) until I became aware of Arch, which I used until recently after various failed installation attempts. In the beginning with DEs like GNOME/XFCE and later with SpectrWM and DWM.
DWM is still my WM of choice today but the substructure has changed from Arch to Artix. The reason was that I became more and more disenchanted with the waste of resources by SystemD and the applications I used became more and more minimalistic over time. Today, due to the lack of adequate solutions, there is only one GUI application on my system and that is the web browser.
Many thanks to all who are involved in the development process of Artix and make this wonderful project possible.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Tula-gingerbread on 09 June 2024, 14:35:14
I moved from Arch because systemd-free.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Shoun2137 on 09 June 2024, 15:29:13
I was using Manjaro-openrc way back when it still existed, ironically that was the first distro I've ever casually used, I liked the teal colorscheme too, it was simply distro that I was familiar with. When I was moving from Win 8.1 back in November of last year, I was torn between Devuan and Artix, but I liked pacman more, having fresh packages was nice too, so I pulled the trigger and chose Artix.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: steve_ on 10 June 2024, 12:22:09
Im actually an old user from around 2015 or 2016 when arch openrc was around, bit vague on the details but im sure it was its own download back then alongside manjaro openrc or am I incorrect? Anyhow i moved to Devuan due to using older hardware that suited a stable os. But im back now due to getting nice new powerful computers.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: dr-kart on 10 June 2024, 19:31:27
I started to use 1st artoo's manjaro openrc spins years ago. No systemd believer ever since.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: smilingcat on 10 June 2024, 20:39:53
My journey
- About 2009/10 I installed first time Ubuntu, but i did not stay on Linux - I only used it on a virtual machine (security reasons) 2011 I played with Kubuntu, Open Suse and last but not least I switched to linux mint for a long time (till 2020-21) - 2016 I bought a second laptop only for Linux and 2020/21 I switched from linux mint to Arch than I made a career as distro hopper - stayed longer on Arco and MX till i settled on Artix - Now its my fourth installation and that is why i am here - I will not change again its my home now - Artix won against Mx , alpine and Gentoo - (and all others ) - I am first time in a linux forum because, i only want to say - A special Thank - artix team -
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: smilingcat on 10 June 2024, 21:11:59
: Many years i used systemd - to work with Systemd is no problem till you get a sense of the structure of an operating system and you get your own imaginations about it - this took long because i was only a normal user and had nothing to do with IT or developing . I am not a programmer so from the point of a normal user systemd was no problem - The time when i began to learn about operating systems was when i got to arch - And it took not long time to see how bad systemd was initialized and implemented - The more i was reading and watching videos about operating systems , the more I began to question red hat the industry and systemd - Still I believe industry standards are not necessary on home computer and when I learned something in many years of using open source its the difference the diversity what makes this movement great - systemd free is like sugar free - - great for our and the industries health ... thanks artix
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: replabrobin on 11 June 2024, 13:44:54
I started with unix/bsd/linux a long time ago in the 1970's, had to sign a non-disclosure to get a copy of the BSD source.
Have used pretty much every version of unix/linux. In early 2000s switched from Freebsd to ubuntu mostly.
At home was using crunchbang until work windows box crashed and burned.
Crunchbang dies --> archlinux --> artix/armtix/manjaro/archlinux.
too old to learn all the systemd nonsense, just rely on arch/ubuntu for work now. Artix is for home messing and simple (reliable) servers etc etc.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: PublicLewdness on 01 July 2024, 07:27:38
I had used a bunch of distros the past ten years. Spent a few years on Solus. A few on Manjaro. A couple on Garuda. A couple on Mint. Manjaro, Garuda and Solus dropped their Mate editions and I quickly found that I didn't like many others DE's, at least not enough to switch. I then went to EndeavourOS and it came to me that if I am comfortable enough with the terminal to use EndeavourOS then this was my chance to ditch SystemD and I decided to try out Artix and Devuan. I found Devuan more user friendly but the more out of date kernel and Mesa make gaming a little trickier so I chose Artix.
I almost quit as I encountered several issues out of the gate such as errors when trying to upgrade the community edition as well as wifi issues on the non community Mate edition. Luckily I stuck with it and have a working Artix system I am typing this on. I broke down and use the AUR for Mate-Tweak and the advanced Mate menu as the default compact menu just isn't what i'm used to. I also had to add the extra and multib repos for some packages I use on a daily basis. Overall though i'm happy.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: cds on 01 July 2024, 12:21:20
: Many years i used systemd - to work with Systemd is no problem till you get a sense of the structure of an operating system and you get your own imaginations about it - this took long because i was only a normal user and had nothing to do with IT or developing . I am not a programmer so from the point of a normal user systemd was no problem - The time when i began to learn about operating systems was when i got to arch - And it took not long time to see how bad systemd was initialized and implemented - The more i was reading and watching videos about operating systems , the more I began to question red hat the industry and systemd - Still I believe industry standards are not necessary on home computer and when I learned something in many years of using open source its the difference the diversity what makes this movement great - systemd free is like sugar free - - great for our and the industries health ... thanks artix
Pretty much sums it up for me too. I left Debian after many years to go with Arch. Arch taught me much about systemd and Linux as a whole. The more I learned about systemd, the more I disliked what is going on. With the creator working for MS, I see a direction that a distro with systemd is going and it is a bit unwelcome (for me at least).
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: replabrobin on 01 July 2024, 14:20:45
Pretty much sums it up for me too. I left Debian after many years to go with Arch. Arch taught me much about systemd and Linux as a whole. The more I learned about systemd, the more I disliked what is going on. With the creator working for MS, I see a direction that a distro with systemd is going and it is a bit unwelcome (for me at least).
user tintin shared this (https://unixdigest.com/articles/the-real-motivation-behind-systemd.html) in another thread
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: TheBestKmanEver on 22 September 2024, 15:57:24
i originally started with Ubuntu, hated it. tried PopOS, hated it even more, tried a bunch of others that just werent for me. landed on MX Linux for a while, their LiveUSB system is insane, kinda wish Artix had something similar. then i decided to go over to the Arch side, looked around for a while and landed on Artix. i went all in and did a base OpenRC ISO. shortly after i did an init switch over to S6 cause why not? S6 looked the most confusing so i went with it. Linux chaos? Yes please! now im daily driving Artix and just love it!
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: htx80nerd on 02 December 2024, 22:41:47
I was using MX Linux which I like a lot. But I use Gimp very heavily and was running into some bug daily that was fixed in a new Gimp version, but not avail on Debian / MX yet.
Now I use Artix main and MX sometimes. Noticing more issues with stuff that 'just works' in Artix with new packages that doesnt work as well (or the same) in MX.
I like MX a lot and am not trying to slag it off, it's not their fault, just Debian slow rolling packages to be 'stable'.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: mrbrklyn on 03 December 2024, 04:54:15
I moved from opensuse because I hated systemd and honestly, I got fed up with the community around systemd and opensuse. When they kicked Carlos off the mailing list, I really doubled my search to find something better. Artix is grand.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Ogis on 03 December 2024, 13:21:39
I moved from Artix linux to Chimera Linux. Because it’s an independent project not directly derived from anything else. And Chimera is not a GNU/Linux system, as it utilizes neither GNU utilities, nor GNU libc, nor GNU toolchain.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Archie on 24 December 2024, 06:55:36
I tried Artix Linux on an old MacBook Air and was very pleased with it. For a couple of weeks, I contemplated on installing it on my desktop replacing a distro that I used continuously since 2005. I was torn in between letting go because of the community forum and something new (better) to hopefully move forward.
Although I am just a faceless name in a handful of forums I visit, I've gotten to know some and maybe even call them friends because of the interactions that passed between them and me. I just thought, friends come and go, and maybe in a future we'll cross paths again.
Moving permanently to Artix Linux as my new dig in the digiverse, I hope to interact and hopefully make some meaningful connections with some.
Happy holidays!
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: tintin on 25 December 2024, 09:52:06
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Ogis on 26 December 2024, 14:41:43
Artix linux is a really great and amazing Linux distribution, with which I personally have never had any problems, although I have been using this distribution for about a year. But since I personally do not like the direction in which Linux is moving, I moved to the land of FreeBSD. But I still wanted to thank the developers of this distribution for their titanic efforts in creating and maintaining this product. Thank you very much.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Archie on 27 December 2024, 04:26:28
I don't like how Linus Torvalds is removing kernel contributors from kernel development. I don't like how he, living in America, is being directed to blindly follow the current political direction.(this was advised by Greg Kroah-HartmanGreg, a US citizen and one of the key Linux developersl), and I also don't like that he removed ReiserFS from the kernel ahead of schedule.
I could go on and on, but somehow I don't want to. Linux is a past phase for me...
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Shoun2137 on 27 December 2024, 16:21:10
(Somewhat abrasive and not so 'politically correct' (oh, irony) rant below (not towards/about forum users! I love the community that's here), but I really want to point some stuff out, if it's offtopic or it's breaking the rules then I'm sorry): Spoiler (click to show/hide)
[...] I don't like how Linus Torvalds is removing kernel contributors from kernel development.
He's been a sissy fool since forever, it's only now he's showing the colours. He's taking mad $$$ figures and that's whats tying him down to all of this. Which is funny because, remember, his family were hardcore communists, and now most of them larp as liberals. He's a tool and has his handlers, he knows this and the only way he can show his power is through ranting about code quality, but notice that he can't speak about the direction Linux is heading. I don't understand the reverence he receives. He wrote his shit at the right time, pushed it in the right place, and that’s all there is to it. Removing contributors wasn't his decision, it was decided for him. He's a fall guy first and foremost, a face corporations that contribute to Linux keep around, it's just convenient to have one place of upstream to them, that's all. It wouldn't be any different for any BSD with this much popularity and corpo's involvement, but due to different licences they can just take whatever they want and don't have to return anything at all.
As for me, I don't really give a shit, I know for a fact that he's the type of person that seethes hard whenever someone he doesn't like uses his stuff. It's probably the same with Arch jannies that were throwing hissy fits about OpenRC threads, they likely seethe as hard that Artix has any traffic at all. I feel like all this dumb political shit accelerated too fast and it's all crashing.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Ogis on 27 December 2024, 18:22:18
here), but I really want to point some stuff out, if it's offtopic or it's breaking the rules then I'm sorry)[/i]:
I completely agree with you. Well written.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: n00b on 27 December 2024, 19:05:10
a 20 year olds FS that is obsolete, is gradually removed from the kernel, and your mad?
Linus removed who now? He can't, right?
Look if you want to hate go right ahead, pottering is right there...
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: gripped on 28 December 2024, 03:09:04
Not liking reality is about the only sane option these days. But our insane reality keeps thundering on regardless.
Bury, head, sand. Play some games. Do a bit of of bad quality programming and get wasted frequently. That's my apathetic modus operandi.
Oh and back on topic I don't actually use much of Artix regularly anymore I have to admit. (though I do still have a reasonably up to date install of Artix on a partition) I use a self rolled Arch with Openrc and just the .so's from systemd-libs. So I suppose I'm also a heretic ?
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Shoun2137 on 28 December 2024, 03:52:47
a 20 year olds FS that is obsolete, is gradually removed from the kernel, and your mad?
I'm not about this, I'm about RNDIS. Which is used everyday by people that don't know their newest smasnug won't tether through USB because Greg makes idiotic move. This will sting casuals badly. Context: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-RNDIS-Removal-EOY2024
It was simply out of taste. They discarded actual people really badly and it said a lot about them. Any type of disagreeing is trolling in their books. I don't give a flying fuck about a bumfuck wars.
Not liking reality is about the only sane option these days. But our insane reality keeps thundering on regardless.
Bury, head, sand. Play some games. Do a bit of of bad quality programming and get wasted frequently. That's my apathetic modus operandi.
Pretty much mine too, due to health issues I can't work so I NEET and write shit. I merged qt5ct, qt6ct, qt5gtk2 and qt6gtk2 into one thing, but it's really shitty and I'm thinking about cmake stuff. Also wrote my own thumbnailer. Tumbler is so shitty - get this, even tho you can "provide" your own plugin/script for processing thumbnails those are reencoded yet again inside it! By f#cking gdk-pixbuf! And saved as huge pngs! I don't know what theyve been smoking, but I kinda need that. My python script and ffmpeg does this way better. Also patched Thunar to support more formats for thumbnails. Can't promise on upstreams or code tho
Oh and back on topic I don't actually use much of Artix regularly anymore I have to admit. (though I do still have a reasonably up to date install of Artix on a partition) I use a self rolled Arch with Openrc and just the .so's from systemd-libs. So I suppose I'm also a heretic ?
Nobody's a heretic. As long as you're here and provide quality support (which you do, not like the RTFM guy) then you're welcome in my books. Anyone's welcome if they do so. I recently started too. I still use Artix as daily driver, it's been exactly 1 year since moving from Windows 8.1. I like it here even tho I have some stuff to bicker about, but the pros outweigh the cons. As for breakage I had only 1 instance of stuff not booting up and that was up to Nvidia. So not really an Artix problem. It's all good.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Ogis on 28 December 2024, 13:53:13
a 20 year olds FS that is obsolete, is gradually removed from the kernel, and your mad?
The point is not that it is old, but that this filesystem was removed from the kernel much earlier than planned.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: ####### on 28 December 2024, 14:15:33
I wouldn't worry too much about it, Linux is used by both the US and Russian military. He removed some Russian developers for legal reasons, sanctions, he has to obey the laws of his country. But it's obviously dumb and pointless, if there really were secret backdoors being introduced by Russia then they would put them in with an agent in another country because everything a Russian dev does is going to be closely inspected. It's just as likely a Russian would be pushing American spyware patches, because who would suspect that? Blame the people that make the law, not those that have to follow it, although there may be some latitude to not follow fools too closely sometimes. ;D Scientific collaboration has always been considered to be aside from politics, although individuals may have their own views and exist in various political environments. I moved to Artix because it's the best, of course, to return to the original topic!
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: n00b on 28 December 2024, 16:05:06
I may not have expressed it, I wrote wrong because my English knowledge is not very good. This is not my native language.
The point is that Edward Shishkin responded by email, in reference to ReiserFS' designation as "obsolete" in the latest Linux kernel submissions: "What does [obsolete] mean compared to [ext4], Btrfs, XFS? I disagree with that qualification. Do those file systems (as well as the mentioned 'modern options') provide better disk space utilization? Surely NO!" Shishkin added that after ReiserFS was declared deprecated, "admins stated that for some tasks ReiserFS has no alternative."
"They (upstream maintainers) simply don't have resources to maintain ReiserFS. So that 'obsolete' sounds like 'sour grapes,'" Shishkin wrote, linking Wikipedia's summary of The Fox and the Grapes. Shishkin added that ReiserFS' designation will not affect his work on Reiser5, "as the latter is a completely independent project."]
Linux Foundation didn't like murderfs being in the kernel, it goes against the CoC.
P.S. Before i migrated to FreeBSD, i used Reiser on all my servers, saved my life once a disk got corrupted and I could restore everything using reiser tools.
P.P.S . Linus Torvalds just merged the change to the Linux 6.13 kernel that goes ahead and deletes the ReiserFS file-system from the source tree.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: n00b on 28 December 2024, 19:03:12
And? I don't understand your argument.
There is not a feature of ReiserFS that is not better served by today's tools, right?
It was said it would removed years ago, if no one stepped up to support it, no one did, and it was. Everything went on exactly as was explained it would, yes?
Or does your emotional attachment to bygone events mean it should stay unmaintained in the kernel?
Perhaps there is something I do not see here. I expect that. But I see no REASON for your complaint. But I support your right to make it.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: ####### on 28 December 2024, 19:35:58
Quote
Who?
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Compliance-Requirements (https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Compliance-Requirements) Moving to BSD is unlikely to make much difference in that respect, given that Berkeley is in California. I don't personally use Reiser FS, but I suppose if that is a key issue then you would go where it is supported. I use BTRFS, just it's basic features as a copy on write file system, and have found it reliable and resistant to crashes, power outages, disk and corruption issues, so I could recommend that.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: n00b on 28 December 2024, 20:04:47
Moving to BSD is unlikely to make much difference in that respect, given that Berkeley is in California. I don't personally use Reiser FS, but I suppose if that is a key issue then you would go where it is supported. I use BTRFS, just it's basic features as a copy on write file system, and have found it reliable and resistant to crashes, power outages, disk and corruption issues, so I could recommend that.
I tried to install BTRFS artix, but https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,7545.msg45351.html#msg45351 did you have any issue?
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: nous on 28 December 2024, 21:43:17
I can't work so I NEET and write shit. I merged qt5ct, qt6ct, qt5gtk2 and qt6gtk2 into one thing, but it's really shitty and I'm thinking about cmake stuff.
Also wrote my own thumbnailer. Tumbler is so shitty - get this, even tho you can "provide" your own plugin/script for processing thumbnails those are reencoded yet again inside it! By f#cking gdk-pixbuf! And saved as huge pngs! I don't know what theyve been smoking, but I kinda need that. My python script and ffmpeg does this way better. Also patched Thunar to support more formats for thumbnails. Can't promise on upstreams or code tho
Ditto.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Shoun2137 on 29 December 2024, 05:47:16
Be patient my friend, it's all part of the plan to publish it if I'm happy with the code.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: tintin on 29 December 2024, 05:48:18
No, I'm not. I'm sorry to pretend(?) but I thought it would be polite to reply (using DeepL) accordingly.
Bonjour, You have no reason to be sorry, your nice answer translated into French made me very happy. I myself could not participate in this forum without the use of Google Translate. :)
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: just_jed on 26 January 2025, 18:03:37
I moved from Ubuntu. Why? Mainly due to them shoving things in place such as "Ubuntu Advantage", and making it a dependency in such a way that you can't remove it. There've been other things like this in the past, though I don't recall the specifics. Back when systemd got introduced, I wanted to get away from it, it's just taken me a while. Today, it's more about avoiding Ubuntu than systemd.
I will say that I do really like the debian package management. I'm going to assume the issues I have had (very small) are more to do with how Ubuntu weaves its web of dependencies, than in apt/dpkg itself.
Now if there only a way to get away from Gnome's ludicrous move to a desktop that looks like material design. I really like 3D effects in the GUI, and this whole flattened look is awful, IMHO. Floating/dynamic scrollbars are terrible as well. I could actually edit gtkrc and get results (very minimal now). I know a bit about CSS, but themes now are a horrible mess.
BTW, I started with Linux back in1998 with RH 5.1. Those were the days... you could figure out nearly anything on your system just by reading scripts and rc files.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: tintin on 27 January 2025, 05:58:25
.../... I started with Linux back in1998 with RH 5.1. Those were the days... you could figure out nearly anything on your system just by reading scripts and rc files.
On Linux since 2003 (Mandrake, Debian etc.), I used Xubuntu for years. I later opted for a rolling release without systemd: Artix Linux.
But I remained faithful to XFCE which can be easily arranged according to one's tastes. It is stable and relatively light.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Eram on 31 January 2025, 01:08:41
Which was your previous Linux distro before using Artix and why did you move to Artix ? I was using gentoo-openrc , but i compiled the whole distro from source which uses quite a lot of electricity($$$). Now i install on Artix all binary packages , and only compile a few AUR from source. I learned Artix by googling non-systemd distro's. [Although i first tried Antix(debian), which has many communalities with Artix] Which distro do you use , when you don't use Artix ?
My previous linux was: Manjaro ??? . I split when the started seriously talking about enforcing telemetry again. I was already on the cusp of switching out due to the pseudo-point release thing they have going on, where packages are held back for anywhere up to two months before dumping a hefty download on you all at once.
I had heard of non-systemd distros, and I was interested in following a more Linux faithful philosophy. "It's your system, what you do with it is up to you" and "Do one thing, do it well". With it's non-SystemD approach, yet following many of Arch's ideals Artix quickly became a top contender for distro I wanted to switch to. I noted that it was also privacy orientated. Other distros didn't really come close, they were either too cumbersome to use realistically (gentoo), too out of date (denuvan/antix etc) or seemed to struggle with keeping to a DIY approach. I guess I first found Artix through the NoSystemD website.
My first run with Artix didn't really go well (after accidentally nuking my own install) but after I went with the xfce and was surprised at how easy it was to install with Calamares (though it should really allow you to select what you want to use as your init).
I also use Antix on a smaller (much older system). I find arch like distros to be a little on the heavy side surprisingly.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: XyzzyX on 12 February 2025, 18:59:19
My linux history began in November 2010. Ubuntu - tried a lot of different distros - Crunchbang - ArchBang - Arch. I was running arch for a little more than a year, 2011 - 2012. That was an exciting year, things happened all the time, (lot's of stories about Allan-broke-it, for those who remember...) and a lot of inspiration from their forum. Then came that sad day when they switched to systemd... I had never heard about systemd when suddenly a flame-war broke out in their forum. I decided to try it out for myself, with an open mind, forget everything I had read about it and just make my own opinion about it. But it was even worse than I could imagine. Total crap, and I just hated it! To make things worse, my special interest at that time was to understand the boot process, so I was studying the initscript trying to understand what they did. Systemd would destroy all that fun. I had sysvinit on another partition, so I could just reboot back to it when I was tired of trying out systemd. I stuck to it until things stopped working after an update.
Then I had to find myself another distro. All automated distros was out of question. I can't stand it when the os lives its own life and just disturbs me. Struggling with Gentoo, Funtoo, Crux... Couldn't get it the way I wanted it, and I thought it was too much work when i wasn't satisfied with the result. So then I just had to settle down with Slackware. It was the only distro I could at all stand. But I didn't like it. In many ways the opposite of what i wanted and what I had in Arch. A very slim system. I wanted to know what all packages I had installed was for. And I missed pacman... Yes, i love pacman, the only package manager I want.
But then I found someones script about how to build Linux From Scratch with pacman. They were quite old and outdated, and i didn't understand most of what they were doing but I understood enough to write my own scripts. I had already before that built LFS manually once. So I made my own "distro", and kept it updated for almost 12 years. I found out about Artix a little more than 2 years ago. Tried it out in virtualbox, but I was very attached to my own distro and wasn't ready to give it up then. But at least I knew there was an alternative now. "Everything" (software) just become more and more complicated, and now I have reached a point where I feel like it's not worth it anymore. The last update was just too much. So now I have switched to Artix, and I'm very satisfied. :D
Can you imagine the feeling when I want to install something: pacman -S <pkgname> pacman: Do you want me to install <pkgname> and 10 (or 20) dependencies for you? me: Oh, yes, I'd love you to install all that for me, and I can just sit down, relax and see some text fly by in the terminal, and within seconds the program is installed and I can start using it. When one is used to doing everything oneself, create PKGBUILDs, figure out how I wanted to compile everything, fix all errors... (But I had a lot of fun and learned a lot from it too, so I'm not complaining.)
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Archie on 13 February 2025, 06:05:25
So now I have switched to Artix, and I'm very satisfied. :D
I had Archlinux on a laptop but my main goto was may desktop with PCLinuxOS. Like you, I found hands-on how disastrous systemd was for me. PCLinuxOS was systemd-free as well but they were a bit late in adopting Plasma 6 on Wayland.
I tried other systemd-free distros but there's not many left. The most obvious distro that was easier to install for me was Artix Linux. The plus were it's based on Archlinux, i.e. pacman -Syu and after a coin-flip (and a bit of quick research), S6 was the init I went and install.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Miinz on 16 April 2025, 10:16:28
Hello All,
I have moved from Manjaro Cinnamon to Arix Linux Cinnamon. After having tested it, i tried to move to Arti Linux xfce and then, the installation was blocked : Calamares did not start, i only saw the hourglass starting (around 5 minutes) but i have never seen the installation screen.
I had to force to swtich of the laptop , and i have made roll back to manjaro.
Have you guys succeed when launching the graphical installer ? I think Calamares is working randomly
Have a good day
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: nous on 16 April 2025, 14:14:12
Calamares did not start, i only saw the hourglass starting (around 5 minutes) but i have never seen the installation screen.
Start it from a terminal with 'sudo calamares -d' to get an idea.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: mrbrklyn on 16 April 2025, 22:00:26
Slackware 3.0, 3.1,.. to 7.0 when we switched to Bob Youngs Red Hat starting with 4.2 but then quickly to SuSe. I used Suse for a long while through the transition through to openSUSE. I was increasingly unhappy with the management and much of the community. SystemD was the straw to break the camels back and I then went shopping for a new distro. I tried Devuan, and disliked the community. I settled on Manjaro and was happy to see a non-systemd version, which folded and I followed it here.
We have a Linux group in NYC called NYLXS. In thae context of their work, I have probably tested at least 100 different distros. Much of them look the same after a while. I am not a fan of Debian, so Artix was a great place for me to stop. I am hoping to never have to change OS again.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Demiplane Dreamer on 20 June 2025, 22:08:40
Planning to move from Mint Debian to Artix because with all the recent password leaks and the apparent desire to shit up the old Linux ecosystems so Red Hat can make money fixing things I am very paranoid about data theft.
I can't afford to have my ID stolen, I am too poor to survive even a 3 month loss of access to savings and income.
This really annoys me because I do a lot of gaming and modding stuff, and I need access to weird old Windows programs. Typically I use VirtualBox, but support for that is hit or miss in non-systemd OSes it seems. Windows 11 (or 10 LTSC) is clearly not an option. None of these programs work on Mac. That means I have to learn Artix's installation and maintenance paradigms, and then learn how to deal with virtual machines from a terminal interface, all so I can play "muh vidyeo gaemhz".
Once I finish all my modding projects I want to make a few games, probably starting with Orx engine, and them moving to something fully 3D. I will probably have limited options for the latter too. All because Poettering, Red Hat, and the Gnome dweebs had to drop a fat turd in the collective punch bowl.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: cds on 24 June 2025, 12:17:58
I moved from Archlinux for systemd-free. Now I want to move to Voidlinux for logind-free further.
Some of the same. Arch to Artix, then to Void and now back to Artix for the long Xlibre haul.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: devarch on 05 July 2025, 22:07:56
I moved from Devuan; more accurately, I installed alongside it for better support with new hardware. I've heard that Arch has better support for new hardware and offers more packages, modules, etc. Since I didn't want systemd, I chose Artix over Arch. However, ultimately, I'm disappointed. I couldn't find what I was looking for. For example, I can't get ryzenadj to work on Artix. It works on Devuan without reading the PMM table, but in Artix, I haven't been able to correctly install either ryzen_smu from GitHub or ryzen_smu_dkms from AUR. Both install successfully, but they don't function as expected. Additionally, using ppacman and yay together feels more complicated than using apt, and there are some odd dependencies. For example, even though I only want to use gvenview or Plasma itself, both depend on baloo. It's challenging to remove baloo while on a Debian-based Linux distribution, this isn't an issue. So, I'm still trying to solve all these issues but always revert to another installation for serious work.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: gripped on 06 July 2025, 01:36:06
For example, even though I only want to use gvenview or Plasma itself, both depend on baloo. It's challenging to remove baloo while on a Debian-based Linux distribution, this isn't an issue.
Some of the KDE packaging decisions on Arch are frustrating. Everything tends to get dragged in. And basically Artix inherits those decisions. Sometimes there are packages on the AUR with a reduced set of dependencies.
I've always thought maybe my CPU didn't support PM table but I've just read it does. But also it wouldn't surprise me if the author has reversed engineered most of it so some support might take a while.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: nohbody on 06 July 2025, 05:41:22
I moved to Artix to test out XLibre on a Arch-Type platform. I'm staying with Artix because I'm finding that my system is much more responsive without SystemD.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Shoun2137 on 06 July 2025, 09:25:51
[...] I can't get ryzenadj to work on Artix. It works on Devuan without reading the PMM table, but in Artix, I haven't been able to correctly install either ryzen_smu from GitHub or ryzen_smu_dkms from AUR. Both install successfully, but they don't function as expected. [...]
This would suggest that Devuan ships additional modules that are commonly used by ryzen platforms. Stuff like this absolutely won't happen here with pure -artix branded kernel due to how Arch (and Artix) devs package their stuff.
Here's what I'd suggest instead, but it might not apply like at all (due to hw being way different). Try linux-zen kernel variant instead as it might have those additional modules already (sudo pacman -S linux-zen + use DKMS whenever needed ie. if nvidia GPU is used, follow https://github.com/korvahannu/arch-nvidia-drivers-installation-guide and use nvidia-dkms instead of nvidia package). When it comes to mine AsRock B450 Pro4 + R5 1600AF none of the available (k10temp, zenpower3 or even that ryzen_smu which only printed smu version on my platform) works with this configuration. Take a look at your mobo manual and check the internet about which sensor controllers your platform uses. What worked was looking directly for nct6779-isa sensor drivers, so I got the sources and BUILDPKG, compiled, loaded - Sensors finally worked OOTB.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: devarch on 06 July 2025, 23:24:11
I've always thought maybe my CPU didn't support PM table but I've just read it does. But also it wouldn't surprise me if the author has reversed engineered most of it so some support might take a while.
I've found where the problem came from. ryzen_smu_dkms does support Strix Point, but doesn't support 0x005D0009. So, I have to remove it.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: devarch on 07 July 2025, 01:17:24
Do they use the same module? If so, I don't see how it could be helpful. It seems that the problem lies within this module itself. https://github.com/FlyGoat/RyzenAdj/issues/356
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: jwjones on 08 July 2025, 01:31:29
I wouldn't say I moved here as such, just broadening my horizons. I have primarily used Slackware in all my Linux years. I started in about 1999 with either Mandrake or Red Hat (pre-RHEL and Fedora), can't remember which. Spent some time using Debian, until APT frustrations drove me away from that. Tried Gentoo and Funtoo, but decided I had better things to do with my time.
I always liked Arch, especially pacman and AUR, but the systemd virus drove me away from that. It just made sense to give Artix a try, and I have been mightily impressed so far. I run Slackware on the desktop, and now Artix on my laptop, an old ThinkPad T61, Impressive performance with 8GB RAM and Plasma 6!
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: redfrell on 20 July 2025, 20:39:18
I have just (today) installed Artix. Before that I was using MX for several years. Before that, Slackware. Before that, Arch, and I left Arch shortly after they imposed systemd. Before that I think I used Mint, and before that openSUSE.
MX Linux is good and generally works out-of-the-box, but I don't like having to do a fresh install. I missed the rolling release. Besides, the latest MX release gave me some issues. I was toying with the idea of going back to Arch and gritting my teeth and living with systemd and then I happened upon Artix on reddit. Hallelujah! All the parts of Arch I like, but not the huge thing I don't!
Slackware is also good but maintaining the system takes a lot of time, what with compiling slackbuilds.
Gotta say, I'm impressed. The installer is quick and easy, and I have my system up and running almost the way I like it with only a couple of hours' work. A few things to tweak and hack but that's the fun.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: tintin on 20 July 2025, 21:06:43
I have just (today) installed Artix.../...All the parts of Arch I like, but not the huge thing I don't!
Bienvenue ici et sur sur Artix. 8) * Welcome here and on Artix. 8)
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Zendjinn on 22 July 2025, 02:02:13
The last distro I used (for a few years) until it ended in March of 25, was Lilidog. Loved it, fast, really worked well on my old equipment and the community around the distro was also a big pull.
When it finished, wasn't sure where to go but really wanted to pull away from Systemd as much as possible... So, I installed Artix (many times over, openrc, runit and Dinit) made a load of screwups and mistakes, but learned a ton in the process.... Now running Artix (dinit) on my old HP Elitebook and also as a home server on my old 2009 MacBook Pro. It is AMAZING!! I now have a home server that works, it's really fast, and coupled with Tailscale, I can access my files from anywhere.
Still learning, but really really enjoying this fine distro and community. 👍😊
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: rayburn on 22 July 2025, 15:14:47
I now have a home server that works, it's really fast, and coupled with Tailscale, I can access my files from anywhere.
Still learning, but really really enjoying this fine distro and community. 👍😊
Congratulations and welcome to Artix!
I would love to know how you managed to get tailscale to work with Artix as it appears to need systemd?
Thanks.
Thank you, it's great to be here..... :)
I downloaded and installed the tailscale and tailscale-dinit packages, installed, and then allowed them through ufw (i think) and it all just seemed to work. I don't remember doing anything special or having any issues or problems. It works across both mobile and wifi wherever i happen to be, ssh into the machine via termux (android mobile & tablet) and my other laptop (also with Artix dinit) can also connect. so i'm able to just log into my server machine and do whatever i would normally do. Everything works.
Having said that, although i log into my machine (as a user) most of the services are run "system wide" as its only me using this machine. So i don't need to use the "user" part of dinit (hope that makes sense?).
I actually had far more problems when i temporarily tried to change over to a debian system (just a few days ago). I had already set up a really good and running artix system but thought perhaps i should run a debian system instead, as it could possibly be "better" somehow..... BIG MISTAKE! It was awful and i had so many problems, plus systemd is so slow and clunky, especially on this old hardware. So i deleted it, installed Artix again, and a few hours later it was all back up and running.... fast, easy and fun!
Have you tried Tailscale on whatever you're using?
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: calvinh on 22 July 2025, 20:56:34
I've been a long time Arch user. Had used Artix for a couple of years. Then went back to Arch. I jumped back to Artix, simply because of xlibre. Wanted to try and support this new project.
Currently running Artix with s6 and dwm (on xlibre, of coz). So far, so good.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: rayburn on 22 July 2025, 21:37:59
I would love to know how you managed to get tailscale to work with Artix as it appears to need systemd?
Thanks.
Thank you, it's great to be here..... :)
I downloaded and installed the tailscale and tailscale-dinit packages, installed, and then allowed them through ufw (i think) and it all just seemed to work. I don't remember doing anything special or having any issues or problems. It works across both mobile and wifi wherever i happen to be, ssh into the machine via termux (android mobile & tablet) and my other laptop (also with Artix dinit) can also connect. so i'm able to just log into my server machine and do whatever i would normally do. Everything works.
Having said that, although i log into my machine (as a user) most of the services are run "system wide" as its only me using this machine. So i don't need to use the "user" part of dinit (hope that makes sense?).
I actually had far more problems when i temporarily tried to change over to a debian system (just a few days ago). I had already set up a really good and running artix system but thought perhaps i should run a debian system instead, as it could possibly be "better" somehow..... BIG MISTAKE! It was awful and i had so many problems, plus systemd is so slow and clunky, especially on this old hardware. So i deleted it, installed Artix again, and a few hours later it was all back up and running.... fast, easy and fun!
Have you tried Tailscale on whatever you're using?
Thank you so much for your detailed reply, it is most helpful. Tbh I hadn't searched the Artix repos for tailscale, just looked at their website. I haven't tried it out on any device yet, but will have a go tomorrow.
Thanks again!
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: Zendjinn on 22 July 2025, 22:28:04
Thank you so much for your detailed reply, it is most helpful. Tbh I hadn't searched the Artix repos for tailscale, just looked at their website. I haven't tried it out on any device yet, but will have a go tomorrow.
Thanks again!
Hope it goes well..... I have enabled "Omniverse" as well as the arch support and repos (after the Artix ones of course) and have Syncthing, & Navidrome running over LAN & Tailscale. It's wonderful. :)
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: rayburn on 23 July 2025, 19:53:25
Thank you so much for your detailed reply, it is most helpful. Tbh I hadn't searched the Artix repos for tailscale, just looked at their website. I haven't tried it out on any device yet, but will have a go tomorrow.
Thanks again!
Hope it goes well..... I have enabled "Omniverse" as well as the arch support and repos (after the Artix ones of course) and have Syncthing, & Navidrome running over LAN & Tailscale. It's wonderful. :)
Installed, up and running today. Thanks for your help!
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: kixik on 23 July 2025, 23:20:27
I moved from Archlinux for systemd-free. Now I want to move to Voidlinux for logind-free further.
May I ask why you would need to move to Void to experience logind-free? BTW they support elogind, setd, turnstile, ... (https://docs.voidlinux.org/config/session-management.html), and to support elogind they need to build apps with systemd_logind enabled and linking to its libraries, since in the end they are a binary distro as well. I'm not using elogind on artix, I first installed seatd and then performed pacman -Rdd elogind, this topic seatd support (elogind alternative) (https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,3050.0.html) helped me find out about it when I was looking how to use seatd and get rid of polkit just to find out I could also get rid of elogind at once. No issues so far withou elogind on artix. I'm not using dbus neither calling for it, and I've found that's harder to get rid of, but both void and artix are binary distros, so building without some options is not as easy on them as it would be on source based distros. I'll explore later at least how not to start the dbus daemon/service by removing it as dependency on other services, but I haven't had the time...
That said, of course you might have some other interests on void, but I was curious how elogind is the motivation to look at void.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: kiblaster on 26 July 2025, 08:59:39
Void has an option to build from source if you want to.
I do not how Void handles logind, in Artix packages depend on it and you need a service, that can be seatd or elogind see https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,7626.msg45766.html#msg45766. This is related to some Arch legacy maybe, IDK.
If you use x11 you will use elogind see https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,7778.msg48654.html#msg48654.
I know that Alpine does not need elogind to run x11, packages do not depend on it and you do not need to have any logind service.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: K0rpZ0uth on 01 August 2025, 16:38:05
I've used a plethora of distributions, few out of curiosity, few out of necessity.
I was using Linux Mint Debian Edition before moving over to Artix, being that vanilla Debian Stable was my first ever Linux Distribution. The news about X11 Libre in Galaxy finally pushed me over.
Before ditching systemd I tried to get into the Fedora "Atomic" desktops, for a couple of years actually, but over time and some much-needed learning I found out the hard way that none of these atomic Linux distributions solved any actual problems for desktop usage nor simplifies low-level maintenance... It probably doesn't help to subject myself to a form of vendor lock-in, either. So I played around in a virtual machine, learned how to manually set up LUKS and an EFI Boot Stub, then settled down with OpenRC. Arch is also just plain fun, nothing like asking around for niche packages and the AUR covering my exact needs.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: tintin on 01 August 2025, 17:21:18
.../... It probably doesn't help to subject myself to a form of vendor lock-in, .../...
Well seen and well reasoned.
Welcome here! 8)
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: recluce on 03 August 2025, 00:33:56
I moved at the very beginning of the Artix project, coming from Manjaro OpenRC when that project merged with Arch OpenRC - simply because Manjaro OpenRC sailed off into the sunset. Before that, I used Linux Mint and Ubuntu. My system was completely wrecked trying to upgrade from an older version of Mint to the one with systemd. I decided at that point that I liked neither systemd nor the major distro upgrades in the Ubuntu world.
At work, I also use Red Hat (shudder), so I am unpleasantly familiar with systemd. My main server OS is FreeBSD.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: kixik on 05 August 2025, 12:41:00
Void has an option to build from source if you want to.
I do not how Void handles logind, in Artix packages depend on it and you need a service, that can be seatd or elogind see https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,7626.msg45766.html#msg45766. This is related to some Arch legacy maybe, IDK.
If you use x11 you will use elogind see https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,7778.msg48654.html#msg48654.
I know that Alpine does not need elogind to run x11, packages do not depend on it and you do not need to have any logind service.
Well, building oneself is an option, but then I'd rather use a source based distro, ;D but that's me, jeje But if it's sort of hybrid, like building just what one needs, then that might be an interesting avenue.
Weird, there might be something weird with my boxes, I don't have elogind, just the library to avoid breaking dependencies further:
% pacman -Qs xorg-server local/xlibre-xserver 25.0.0.7-1 (xlibre) XLibre fork of X.Org X server local/xlibre-xserver-common 25.0.0.7-1 (xlibre) XLibre fork of X.Org Xorg server common files local/xlibre-xserver-xvfb 25.0.0.7-1 (xlibre) XLibre fork of X.Org virtual framebuffer X server
But I'm not using any daemon/service to start x11, I do it with xinit/startx. And although I see dbus everywhere, I'm not populating its env vars, for example I'm not calling for exec dbus-run-session i3, instead I'm calling for example exec i3, and to be honest I haven't noticed anything wrong. On xlibre I have issues at times when even with dpms off, but the screen is locked, it gets unlocked but the screen remains blank. But that's not related with elogind neither dbus AFAIK, and it doesn't happen with legacy xorg.
I haven't hybernated yet with current setup, perhaps that's not working...
Perhaps what I believe I have is just an illusion :(
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: clementf on 10 August 2025, 16:56:51
For now, it's the only distro to first-party support xlibre afaik.
It's also nice for me to switch to rolling release again. I had switched from Arch to OpenMandriva, then from OpenMandriva to MX, but in the end I realized going back to a rolling release would be better. Since MX Linux converted me to getting rid of systemd and since they seem to be moving back towards it (afaik, the default images will now be systemd since they can't put both in a single image anymore).
For now I haven't even installed xlibre yet, it just feels good to be back on a system which actually feels free as in freedom.
Basically went : Arch -> OpenMandriva -> MX -> Artix.
I think I'm actually going to stay here for some time.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: dangsasquatch on 12 August 2025, 06:09:59
Moved from Arch to Artix.
Why, is probably one of the weirder reasons given. I don't know though as I only read a few of these lol. It was Distrotube.. I watched his review of Artix and I thought it was strange that he was calling it a protest distro and seemed to be fairly negative about things that didn't seem like a big deal. It seemed like he was overly pro-systemd, and almost emotional about it, which kind of put me off. So for the first time in my linux journey it made me think about init, something I'd probably have never done until that video. So I did some basic research, picked runit and installed Artix. I'm still here lol. I had a short month or two diversion to Void, but ended up coming back.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: K0rpZ0uth on 12 August 2025, 19:46:06
When I was still new to Linux (I'm on my fifth year), I followed DistroTube for a while, maybe about two years?
The guy has fun doing what he does so I won't fault him for that but he really doesn't understand when he's talking through both sides of his mouth (or ass) about any given thing. By his definition of a "protest distro"; Linux Mint, OpenMandriva, and Q4OS are all "protest distros". I don't like that label because it suggests a lack of utility purpose.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: wolfheart on 17 August 2025, 21:40:36
I moved from macOS, have used it for around 12 yrs but decided to give linux a try instead of buying another apple product.
At first I tried Arch with Hyprland, used it for 3 months. As I was reading the discussions about the init systems and display server differences I wanted to try something different, the idea of using Linux is to have the power of choice and not be stuck with what one company decided is the best and all the major distros have adopted as default.
Title: Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?
Post by: kparadine on 30 August 2025, 20:53:00
Funtoo stopped operation mid-last year and I really don't like the Gentoo environment, too much politicking and too hard to figure out how to keep a system stable. This was a good non-systemd alternative. I tried a few others and was unhappy with them (Devuan/PclinuxOS/Gentoo). They felt unnatural or weren't easy to produce a working system with the apps I needed. I've been using Artix for close to a year now and no real issues.
I wish there were some packages in the repo that would facilitate running it for other purposes than a desktop (let's say Plex), I have to manually build 1Password, and having 'barrier' available would be nice, but beggars can't be choosers. I have to run other distros when I want things like that. Though it might be a good time to investigate moving to Jellyfin.