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Title: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: Archie on 06 February 2025, 16:51:35
I'm not a fan, and I make it a point to take most of everything I hear with a whole salt shaker!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8BgXaBAr8c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8BgXaBAr8c)
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: Ogis on 06 February 2025, 17:45:54
Red Hat is a virus!
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: n00b on 06 February 2025, 18:18:49
Is it not known that Lunduke is a Q nutjob?
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: Phosphate5 on 06 February 2025, 18:49:57
It is clear that Red Hat wants to be the next Microsoft. Fedora was a distro that I liked a lot in the past. But now, Fedora is a messed up distro that spies on its users and has a lot of controversial stuff. Fedora is also a very political distro, and Red Hat doesn't permit using it in several countries due to political matters.
See: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/the-whole-world-can-use-fedora-except-these-5-countries/78200
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: Archie on 07 February 2025, 01:10:26
Is it not known that Lunduke is a Q nutjob?

Most definitely. I've known that for a while and it is entertaining how he blabbers on what goes on above and outside his head.
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: n00b on 07 February 2025, 01:16:24
It is clear that Red Hat wants to be the next Microsoft. Fedora was a distro that I liked a lot in the past. But now, Fedora is a messed up distro that spies on its users and has a lot of controversial stuff. Fedora is also a very political distro, and Red Hat doesn't permit using it in several countries due to political matters.
See: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/the-whole-world-can-use-fedora-except-these-5-countries/78200

this is malinformation.
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: Phosphate5 on 07 February 2025, 10:45:37
It is clear that Red Hat wants to be the next Microsoft. Fedora was a distro that I liked a lot in the past. But now, Fedora is a messed up distro that spies on its users and has a lot of controversial stuff. Fedora is also a very political distro, and Red Hat doesn't permit using it in several countries due to political matters.
See: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/the-whole-world-can-use-fedora-except-these-5-countries/78200

this is malinformation.

Which part of it is exactly malinformation?
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: Ogis on 07 February 2025, 14:08:09
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Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME

And one more unpleasant detail.  RHEL was increasing the architecture version baseline to v3, which results in the loss of support for numerous older CPUs(and some newer ones).
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: ####### on 07 February 2025, 14:40:44
Fake AI is being used for phishing and scamming, there are warnings of fake websites and social media groups that pretend to offer AI services, sometimes cloning real AI websites, but they are merely a ruse to get people to reveal their secrets. Whether real AI could be similarly described is another question...
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: Archie on 08 February 2025, 03:52:03
I've used LLaMa, Groq and Deepseek among others... and what I can say is AI still has a long road to go to be considered intelligent. When these "AIs" have no correct reply, they tend to hallucinate. They still invent/imagine instead of replying, I'm sorry but at this moment I cannot find any information for your query.
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: n00b on 08 February 2025, 19:23:14
Fedora is not political. it is complying with us law, it has no choice, and anyone in those countries can run Fedora.
Fedora does not "Spy" on its users any more than the Artix servers track what IP's download updates.

But I would not want to be argumentative.
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: Phosphate5 on 09 February 2025, 08:37:21
Which part of it is exactly malinformation?
Fedora is not political. it is complying with us law, it has no choice, and anyone in those countries can run Fedora.
Fedora does not "Spy" on its users any more than the Artix servers track what IP's download updates.

But I would not want to be argumentative.
Fedora collects telemetry and I don't like this. The Fedora's telemetry used to be opt-out but it seems, due to the negative reactions from the free software community, they changed the telemetry collection model to opt-in. I wasn't aware of this change and maybe I went a little too far saying that it spies on its users.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Metrics

Nevertheless, I still believe that Fedora has major ethical flaws as the ban against several nations is against the philosophy of free software. And, NO! People in countries that are sanctioned by the US can't use Fedora without a VPN as Fedora's website blocks IPs that come from those countries. This is enough for me to avoid Fedora.
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/access-forbidden-based-on-location-in-syria/85106
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/1eku1ln/why_is_fedora_restricted_on_cuba/
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/legal/export/

Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: ####### on 09 February 2025, 14:42:13
GitHub blocks those countries too, all USA companies are subject to USA laws. Some apply them more enthusiastically than others, e.g. Cisco / Clamav. Redhat has links to the US military, so they are unlikely to rebel much.
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: lotuskip on 09 February 2025, 14:59:52
All this talk about having to abide by US laws seems a bit aloof looking at what Trump & Musk are doing.

"AI" lacks a generally approved definition anyhow; much hype, little understanding. Maybe this whole thing shows how much Red Hat is a capitalist corporation and not a Linux distribution. They think if they don't join the hype they'll perish (i.e. lose investors).
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: n00b on 09 February 2025, 16:06:51
Fedora is not political. it is complying with us law, it has no choice, and anyone in those countries can run Fedora.
Fedora does not "Spy" on its users any more than the Artix servers track what IP's download updates.

But I would not want to be argumentative.
Fedora collects telemetry and I don't like this. The Fedora's telemetry used to be opt-out but it seems, due to the negative reactions from the free software community, they changed the telemetry collection model to opt-in. I wasn't aware of this change and maybe I went a little too far saying that it spies on its users.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Metrics
So, when examined,  your accusations were found to be false in their entirety, correct? Thank you for that.

Nevertheless, I still believe that Fedora has major ethical flaws as the ban against several nations is against the philosophy of free software. And, NO! People in countries that are sanctioned by the US can't use Fedora without a VPN as Fedora's website blocks IPs that come from those countries.
So you agree "several countries" can taking simple steps to use Fedora, right?

You assert an ethical concern, but do not detail it all all. Care to educate us on these ethical concerns?
All this talk about having to abide by US laws seems a bit aloof looking at what Trump & Musk are doing.
I made a mistake. While Many distros are under US law specifically, these are international laws we are talking about. Enacted for good reason, right?
What is it called when discussing a topic and you point at something else? and say "What about...?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
We can agree LLM's, or genetic algorithms, are all bullshit.
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: lotuskip on 09 February 2025, 16:27:55
What is it called when discussing a topic and you point at something else? and say "What about...?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
Umm... What? Are you under the impression that I am on some side of this off-topic Fedora-IP-freedom-law discussion, and had, as Wikipeepee puts it "a strategy of responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation"? I was just making a random observation, one which I even thought darkly humorous. I've no beef with Fedora, or you. I'm sad that the former uses systemd and that the latter got so livid about my post (my impression; no offense, please).
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: n00b on 09 February 2025, 17:24:14
What is it called when discussing a topic and you point at something else? and say "What about...?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
Umm... What? Are you under the impression that I am on some side of this off-topic Fedora-IP-freedom-law discussion, and had, as Wikipeepee puts it "a strategy of responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation"? I was just making a random observation, one which I even thought darkly humorous. I've no beef with Fedora, or you. I'm sad that the former uses systemd and that the latter got so livid about my post (my impression; no offense, please).
Friend, I saw "how can anyone say shit about U.S. law when..."
I see that was not your intent.

I apologize for the misunderstanding.

We agree this Republican criminal American president is doing criminal things, it didn't seem relevant. It was darkly humorous, which I find tasty.

I have no feelings on Fedora, or systemd.

I do feel sad that you thought I was upset at you... that was not my intent.

Thank you for taking the time to address this.
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: gripped on 09 February 2025, 17:30:06
Talking of AI I was just shocked to come across a deepfake of @n00b. It's scary what they can do. Only going to get worse :(
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: n00b on 09 February 2025, 23:37:50
Fuck off... I told you XKCD asked me to pose for that
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: mrbrklyn on 10 February 2025, 06:24:29
I was just reading on the SuSE mailing list that KDE is also cooking something up.  This distresses me to no end.  I am already having far to many problems with a computer than doesn't listen to what I tell it to do, especially when writing text.. but not only.

The last thing I needs is an OS with an artificial intelligence in it spying on me all day.

Think about how rich that attack surface is.

The one place I can see an AI being useful is in network defense and on the kernel level.
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: n00b on 10 February 2025, 13:06:28
One can run the open LLM's localy. I am amazed at how they can be rather small and efficient when you narrow the scope of application.

there is a llm running on 1meg of ram on an esp32 that does a pretty good job of identifying what it sees movng on my outdoor camera.

I think the venture capital crew are hyping like mad, but there is a lot more smoke than mirrors.

Having seen how easy it is to hack LLM's I would not trust them for anything important
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: Archie on 10 February 2025, 14:30:07
OK, now I'm starting feel responsible for the temperature in this thread. I am hoping that are in jest. I guess even Vishnu makes mistakes. Look how he turned out to be. He became Buddha!
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: replabrobin on 10 February 2025, 14:34:56
...........
there is a llm running on 1meg of ram on an esp32 that does a pretty good job of identifying what it sees movng on my outdoor camera.
..........

can you share your setup/code? Also how did you do the restriction? Unfortunately Brandy's main cat enemy is a black cat with white paws. I find it hard to be sure which is which :(
Title: Re: Red Hat is adding AI to Fedora and GNOME
Post by: n00b on 11 February 2025, 16:26:18
OK, now I'm starting feel responsible for the temperature in this thread. I am hoping that are in jest. I guess even Vishnu makes mistakes. Look how he turned out to be. He became Buddha!
Friend, we all laughing, right? But I appreciate your sensitivity.

...........
there is a llm running on 1meg of ram on an esp32 that does a pretty good job of identifying what it sees movng on my outdoor camera.
..........

can you share your setup/code? Also how did you do the restriction? Unfortunately Brandy's main cat enemy is a black cat with white paws. I find it hard to be sure which is which :(

I did it a while ago, but I think this is similar
https://how2electronics.com/esp32-cam-based-object-detection-identification-with-opencv/