https://linux.slashdot.org/story/25/06/28/054245/x11-fork-xlibre-released-for-testing-on-systemd-free-artix-linux
Outstanding!
soon to come out of testing. We should get this fellow to join the Artix team and test on our platform
Artix is becoming what Arch should have been
I can't wait to try it. I suppose I should just wait for it to be out of testing. Let's say I did want to try it now. I typically don't have gremlins enabled. But I do have arch repos enabled and regularly use the AUR. Which is the safer route (community estimate), turning on gremlins and doing an install via pacman.. or since there is an xlibre package in the AUR using that.
There's a fair bit of warnings in the AUR comments for it suggesting that one has to take a lot of care to not mess up a system when using that method but perhapse similar care is needed via gremlins.
I suppose I should just get over my fear of having gremlins on. I'm doing it.
The AUR package depends on soystemd, it's going to be a pain to build it for Artix. The best way to try XLibre on Artix is to enable greminls as the last repos.
I gave it a go from gremlins. It didn't quite work for me. Complained about an nvidia ABI mismatch. Good news is it wasn't very hard to re-install xorg.
I'm going to wait for it to come out of gremlins. Excited for the day.
Whether or not the AUR would work ok or not depends on what level of "depends on systemd" we're talking about. A lot of times that just means some systemd files ending up in a folder than OpenRC will just ignore.
Now that I have the muscle memory for uninstalling and reinstalling a good amount of the graphics stack on my system I might give the AUR a try. Compiling directly against my system might resolve the ABI issues.
If you use nvidia's proprietary drivers, then no, it won't stop. You need to use "IgnoreABI" flag for this stuff to work properly...
Section "ServerFlags"
Option "IgnoreABI" "true"
EndSection
The instructions for closed source drives are in our xlibre wiki page https://wiki.artixlinux.org/Site/XlibreOnArtix#Closed_source_drivers ;)
artist
Works. Looking at instructions was the third thing I was going to try. I'm glad I skipped the AUR.
Works like a dream.
An interesting page suggested to me by the author of the project:
https://gist.github.com/probonopd/301319568a554abe7426c02eb5e19b5a
I was hoping Repology would have a nice index of all the places it's packaged but it appears none of the places that package it are using the same name. Hopefully someone over there can manually group them and then we could easily share one of these:
(https://repology.org/badge/vertical-allrepos/xlibre-xserver.svg) (https://repology.org/project/xlibre-xserver/versions)
What I don't understand is reading some of the discussions, there are comments like this:
"The maintainer’s need to make their hard right political views front and centre as part of the project in the README.md, combined with (to be clear - I think FOSS and politics are inseparable) shows contempt for users belonging to marginalised groups ..."
but the README.md says:
"This is an independent project, not at all affiliated with BigTech or any of their subsidiaries or tax evasion tools, nor any political activists groups, state actors, etc. It's explicitly free of any "DEI" or similar discriminatory policies. Anybody who's treating others nicely is welcomed.
It doesn't matter which country you're coming from, your political views, your race, your sex, your age, your food menu, whether you wear boots or heels, whether you're furry or fairy, Conan or McKay, comic character, a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri, or just a boring average person. Anybody who's interested in bringing X forward is welcome."
Looking up the meaning of DEI:
"DEI commonly refers to Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, which encompasses initiatives and practices aimed at fostering an inclusive environment that promotes diverse perspectives and equitable opportunities for all individuals. This term is widely applied in organizational and educational contexts to enhance social justice and representation."
Are these people being shown something different on that page? While that section is a bit redundant and contradictory it seems to support the principles of DEI if not the acronym itself.
You're taking this from a common sense point of view. They don't. Most of them live in their bubble that is attuned to their frequency, and the main problem with these types of people is that they won't accept ANY aspect of your views or beliefs if it directly contradicts theirs. They can't be reasoned with, because if you try to act in good faith and show any kind of argument that has a solid foundation, they think you're tackling their beliefs and views, which is the crux of the matter because... due to their "perceived identity," by extension, it's like you're attacking them, since they can't comprehend that you have a different way of living.
I can't even understand what this sentence means, but I find it essential to keep politics out of this (other than Free Software politics) and to just focus on the tech.
I can't even understand what this paragraph addresses , but I find it essential to keep politics out of this (other than Free Software/Digital Rights politics) and to just focus on the tech. I see no reason to drag the meandering rantings of a random non-moderated forum HERE... which just unnecessarily inflames people.
That's fair. When getting political things can get angry pretty quick.
I will say that I, personally, did not see any contradiction in the statements quoted. Since I see DEI as an overarching philosophy under which one could include practices like "affirmative action", by saying "we don't care what you are, all are welcome" they are "putting their foot down" in a sense against DEI (by way of affirmative action). Essentially the right-wing argument against DEI is that you will inevitably have the focus of your recruiting criteria shifting away from skill/interest into representation of marginalized groups.
It's a political can of worms for sure and is the stuff of angry posters and youtube provocateurs.
I could go on and on and be one of those posters (no I'm not angry, it's just a topic I know a little about and have been following for quite some while), but I probably shouldn't have posted as much as I have already haha as it's quite off-topic.
I agree entirely, but it seems worth pointing out when many of the official discussions amongst maintainers about xlibre which are linked in the list of distros that said "no" on that page seem to be influenced by what is probably more accurately described as the opinions of spammers on the project mailing list rather than the stated position of the developers themselves.
Oh I see I think. So you're saying that the project is getting a bad reputation and is thus being rejected by distros due to the political rantings of users (and/or spammers)? If so that's unfortunate. Definitely tough to manage any kind of "libre" project when freedom of speech is most likely an important idea to those behind the project. It will attract lots of discussion of all kind, but do you censor/moderate/ban? I dunno.
Please stop. Don't say "I see what you mean" but let me continue with the politics and preaching anyway.
No it is not. So we have no reason to engage in this off topic conversation. take it to alt.comp.politics
I was just trying to clarify that DEI is not the same as "all are welcome" which is what there was some confusion about. I didn't preach. If offering insight into the possible meaning of statements that people are articulating confusion about is considered politically inappropriate well I dunno what to say about that. Obviously the discussion should happen with the original poster of those statements and not with 3rd parties discussing said statements. But they are being mentioned so I just thought I'd offer a little counter-argument to what seemed to be a claim of hypocrisy which I didn't see as such.
And I don't know anything about the people behind librex and I don't know anything about librex, i was just extrapolating that people who are enthusiastic about free and open source software might also be enthusiastic about free speech. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there's no link there at all if so my mistake.
My apologies if any offense was taken. Not trying to step on anyone's beliefs just trying to illuminate on those of others.
LOL!! Now there is a blast from the past!
There was nothing inflammatory about that. Van't say that for what I'm about to say next. So let's dissect it in simpler terms...
### started going about how he thinks DEI (in theory and on paper) works and how (I would assume) he applies his common sense to that angle, and if you can't comprehend such a simple correlation to my entire paragraph (Which is - progressive farleft folk are aggressive about their bubbles... which is stuff like DEI... which they take as ideology and apply as their "identity"...), then I'm sorry, but you're just dishonest about the entire topic of Xlibre as a whole... Which came out of Enrico's political discrimination.
Remember that you trying to "keep politics out" won't work at all - Simply because of how these lunatics work:
https://xcancel.com/LundukeJournal/status/1939678439079858663
https://xcancel.com/LundukeJournal/status/1938407758434603302
I feel like you're just trying to avoid having honest discussion about the social and cultural impact of DEI, because especially when it directly negatively impacts how our communities interact and collaborate here as yet again a project such as Xlibre is directly involved. Being as ignorant as you are here to these conversations doesn’t make the underlying tensions disappear, it just festers, but outside of this forum, probably somewhere in bluesky, imagine neon furhair catlxdy with flags in bio as Xir makes another post about how Elon Musk and Donald Trump should be killed off.. And here on this forum we all could have a proper polite conversation about this instead of this socialmedia-esque effing and blinding which you just passively aggressively started.. And also I'm sorry, but dismissing my differing perspectives as “meandering rantings” paints you as absolutely pathetic in my eyes. This is my last post in this thread, as this is your topic - your playground.
Locking this thread due to mess.
This is a taboo topic more or less, since this so called "DEI" is nothing new, Mao in China did it, the Soviets did it, there is a pattern here that must not be discovered. To make the hypocrisy complete, those who preach this DEI are the most racist, intolerant, tyrannic and supremacist people you can find. The "DEI" has its origin in so called Weimar Germany, the period between 1919-1933, and it is safe to call what it going on in US Weimerica, just hyperinflation has not hit yet.