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The budget pc that is bootlegging?

AMD Quad Gaming Computer, Athlon X4 950 4x3.8GHz, 16GB DDR4, AMD Radeon RX 550 2GB GDDR5, 512 GB SSD, USB 3, 802.11AC WiFi & Win 11 Prof #6873 https://a.co/0h9Aqol

For the price I can see someone buying it.  It has an upgrade path.  But is it ethical as this guy is likely shipping a copy of windows with no key code?  And it's advertised as running 11 when the 2017 Athlon chip is from 2017 and clearly not going to run 11.

If you had nothing else you could do something with this until you had money... would you do it?

Xfce to the rescue?
Cat Herders of Linux

Re: The budget pc that is bootlegging?

Reply #1 –
The ad states clearly: Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro 64 Bit (installed and activated)
If it isn't what it says then presumably you would be due a refund. There are refurb places with deals with Microsoft, and are you sure it won't run that - a quick check suggests CPU spec of 1GHz or faster with 2 or more cores on a compatible 64-bit processor or system on a chip.
I'd try to find something with a blank or missing HDD if possible, although it's not always easy, the ones with Windows can often be found cheaper  ;D

Re: The budget pc that is bootlegging?

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Quote from: ####### – on
The ad states clearly: Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro 64 Bit (installed and activated)
If it isn't what it says then presumably you would be due a refund. There are refurb places with deals with Microsoft, and are you sure it won't run that - a quick check suggests CPU spec of 1GHz or faster with 2 or more cores on a compatible 64-bit processor or system on a chip.
I'd try to find something with a blank or missing HDD if possible, although it's not always easy, the ones with Windows can often be found cheaper  ;D


It's not on the list of approved processors from m$.   Check it yourself.
Cat Herders of Linux

Re: The budget pc that is bootlegging?

Reply #3 –
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors

"OEMs may use the following CPUs for new Windows 11 devices."
OEM = Original Equipment Manufacturer.
Presumably that only applies to manufacturers making new PC's, there's nothing to stop anyone installing it on an existing older machine. Take it up with Amazon, that seller and Microsoft if you think it worth pursuing, but that's what it looks like to me. It's always been possible to upgrade older machines to the latest version if the hardware supports it and they are frequently sold in an upgraded form, it's been true for every other Windows edition afaik.

Re: The budget pc that is bootlegging?

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Quote from: ####### – on
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors

"OEMs may use the following CPUs for new Windows 11 devices."
OEM = Original Equipment Manufacturer.
Presumably that only applies to manufacturers making new PC's, there's nothing to stop anyone installing it on an existing older machine. Take it up with Amazon, that seller and Microsoft if you think it worth pursuing, but that's what it looks like to me. It's always been possible to upgrade older machines to the latest version if the hardware supports it and they are frequently sold in an upgraded form, it's been true for every other Windows edition afaik.


The pc in question is sporting an athlon x4 950 so youre intel list is not relevant really.  It is also not on the amd list of supported cpus.  If they managed to install it on an unsupported cpu through some means other than a clean install then it looks like fraud to me.
Cat Herders of Linux
 

Re: The budget pc that is bootlegging?

Reply #5 –
No, you didn't understand the page, and sorry for linking to the Intel not AMD page, I looked at both. Windows 11 will run on any old CPU that will run it, they don't care what you install it on. But for OEM manufacturers they lay out guidelines for creating new computers from the factory, because they want to give the users who buy them a good experience. But if anyone else decides to put Windows 11 on a core 2 duo they are welcome to try, though it might run pretty slow if at all. Microsoft is providing the known supported hardware which will have drivers etc. If you run a computer factory and are planning the specification and construction of your next model then you need to follow the list. Otherwise follow the more general hardware requirements advice, hopefully this is the page I intended:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications

Of course, better yet, forget Windows and use Artix!