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Re: [SOLVED] Can't boot from USB

Reply #15 –
You are right gripped. Try to embrace humility surf3r, it could save your life.

Re: [SOLVED] Can't boot from USB

Reply #16 –

 Instead you could simply choose bigger blocksize. Is not about feelings here but why dd fails. I embrace whatever you want if you can enlighten us n00bs or just me the n00b why dd fails in your case.

Re: [SOLVED] Can't boot from USB

Reply #17 –
vindicated ;)

Re: [SOLVED] Can't boot from USB

Reply #18 –
"Why it fails with dd then?"
The problem is no boot menu comes up on certain hw when dd'ing the iso at present. In order to display the menu a mini-OS has to be loaded, there must be some bug in there that affects certain machines at present and it doesn't work on those, but it's OK on most others. Ventoy creates a multiboot usb with it's own mini-OS which displays it's own Ventoy boot menu, then skips the first part of the Artix iso boot sequence, or perhaps does something like switching on the display screen backlight  or whatever, that gets omitted by the iso mini-OS, bypassing the issue.
That would be my guess.

Re: [SOLVED] Can't boot from USB

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Why it fails with dd then? Linux tools are bad? Common.
No dd is imho the perfect tool to write an image to a USB.
It's the images that must be the problem on certain hardware ? Is it the hardware's fault or the image ? I don't know but that's immaterial to someone who just wants to get on with installing Artix.

I wouldn't call Ventoy either noobish or from the windows realm.
It's quite a handy tool. I only found out about it fairly recently myself on this exact site and tested it out of curiosity.
It's just another option if, as can happen, the iso is failing to boot when written directly to the usb drive.

Re: [SOLVED] Can't boot from USB

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Ventoy creates a multiboot usb with it's own mini-OS
For someone installing from the base iso that ventoy mini OS would significantly mess with self respect/ego contained in the 'btw I run Arch'. The goal of installing from the base iso being a cleanest/lightest system possible. Of course ventoy is a welcome alternative but still sounds a tiny micro or nano-n00bish thing to do. I would rather go with an older base iso.

@gripped
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It's just another option
It means I'm a bit too much FOSS jihadist 👳🏿 I'll take it more easy 👼🏼. It's not good to think something is the absolute perfect tool or the silver bullet. Could this topic be the case? Idk 100% but I guess everybody already formed an opinion.

Re: [SOLVED] Can't boot from USB

Reply #21 –
@Surf3r You still seem confused ?

Using Ventoy to boot the base iso image will not result in any difference to the resulting Artix install if the same steps are taken once the image is booted.

I almost wrote this in my first post in the thread:
"You can do a base install from any Linux live ISO
https://gitea.artixlinux.org/artix/artix-bootstrap"
Yet another option.

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It means I'm a bit too much FOSS jihadist
ventoy is open source. https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy

Again confused is how you come across to me. but with your heart in the right place.
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It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so


Re: [SOLVED] Can't boot from USB

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ventoy is open source
@gripped yep, it's open source but for someone installing the neckbeard way that ventoy is just a needless pain. I did not install from base myself but you get the point. Neckbeards ain't gonna give many Michelin stars to ventoy be there open source, extra good or magnificent good.

Nobody with a long enough linux beard would like the final outcome that may sound like 'btw I run Ventoy'

Ventoy is nice but dd is king. And if it's open source we can find out what magic it does as bonus vs dd.

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Using Ventoy to boot the base iso image will not result in any difference to the resulting Artix install
That's really a relief hearing this but I for one don't need too many tools other than what that distro offers like calamares installer or base.

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You can do a base install from any Linux live ISO
Not quite base though. Base is base. You can't have a base with a roof on top and still call it base. Maybe semi-base would be the exact term.

Think the topic went rather into how do we like 'coffee' and not the 2nd key point of this topic that is what ventoy does that dd is such a n00b in doing that otherworldly top secret thing.

Re: [SOLVED] Can't boot from USB

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@Surf3r dude the whole point of this thread was to help @hjkl get the base iso booted so they could install Artix.
That's all.

If you don't like Ventoy don't use it. Simples.

Other than when I tested it on first hearing about it i've used it exactly once. That was when I was helping a friends teenage son build his first PC. I knew he'd have no Windows install disc (don't even start  ;) his PC ) and wasn't sure if he'd want 10 or 11 so put both on a ventoy usb to cover all bases which was simpler than taking two usb drives round

Nowhere has anyone, or at least not me,  suggested "d0n'7 3v3r u53 dd. v3n70y 15 7h3 b0mb".
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Not quite base though. Base is base. You can't have a base with a roof on top and still call it base. Maybe semi-base would be the exact term.

Think the topic went rather into how do we like 'coffee' and not the 2nd key point of this topic that is what ventoy does that dd is such a n00b in doing that otherworldly top secret thing.
wtf are you on about? How would you know never having done a base install?
Anyway I'm out. Enjoy your delusions  :-*

Re: [SOLVED] Can't boot from USB

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@Surf3r I don't think you should use the base iso reply anymore from the way you sound you might not be prepared. A word salad with excessive use of reddit meme-speak and pretentious adjectives make you sound a bit inexperinced.

(...)but for someone installing the neckbeard way that ventoy is just a needless pain. I did not install from base myself but you get the point. Neckbeards ain't gonna give many Michelin stars to ventoy be there open source, extra good or magnificent good.
Nobody with a long enough linux beard would like the final outcome that may sound like 'btw I run Ventoy'

(...)Not quite base though. Base is base. You can't have a base with a roof on top and still call it base. Maybe semi-base would be the exact term.

 :o
im actually convinced you are just trolling and trying to be a pretentious on purpose when nice users actually make a useful reply.

@gripped i totally forgot that i could just as well install artix from any other iso with the artix install scripts. It was good to finally try ventoy as well. I put a few different isos on it and they all worked, super practical tool that i'm going to use from now on.
 

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Enjoy your delusions
lol? If I, which I've never install from base consider ventoy not fit my beard size how the hell would fit a longer neckbeard?

The 2nd point was to see what dd problem is nothing more maybe we can somehow fix it. Call it whatever base you want for me that simply isn't the case.

I was just trying to keep it friendly with the folx coming from windoz via ventoy or other crap like that but looks like it's hard. When you lose an argument saw you got used to jump on the insult button thing which is really pathetic.