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Librem 5 or PinePhone

Hello everyone. This is a complete off topic and kind of advice I need. I've been trying to have a more private life since last year so so. I've been worry about privacy. For example I've been changing google services as I can.

Anyway. I've been reading about Linux phones and I'm interested on Librem5 and Pinephone. I don't know if anyone of you have one of these phones and share the experience.

About Librem5 looks more interesting for me because it tries to be open as it can but all the reviews I read are bad, maybe unfair. I think many of these post haven't realized that the aim for Librem5 is for users who cares about privacy and many people think the phone must have "WhatsApp". I don't give a sh** about the apps, but I do care if the phone cannot make calls for example (Many reviews I've read said that) or battery drains. The other problem is the price, this phone looks like too expensive and I don't know if it worth if.

On the other hand there is the Pinephone looks less "open" than Librem but It's much cheaper, I've seen that is trickier to be ready use but it's a very good tool for developers.

I could be quite crazy but I want a phone for ready use  :D  :D, I would be happy if the phone can run Tutanota, have a matrix.org client and decent browser. I've been using Linux since 2007 so I am used to swimming against a river current (This phrase may be a very bad translation from my language)
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Re: Librem 5 or PinePhone

Reply #1
Greetings,


To be frank, I don't think there is any phone in the market that can provide you any acceptable degree of privacy. Same as laptops and PCs. Even if the software that they run are free, they usually tend to run on hardware that have non-free blobs in them that we can have little to no control over.


The closest thing that makes sense to your stated use case is Pinephone, probably, but it would be even better if you used it after removing the internal microphone and cameras. But I believe the best thing to do if you are fully a privacy freak like Stallman is to follow his advice and not use a phone. That might sound inconvenient but it is probably the best decision you could take with regards to privacy (and also mental health). I personally gave up using phones about a year ago and my life has been significantly better ever since.


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Reply #2
Hello @Anaximenes thank you for your reply. I thought this post would be dead without any answer hehehehe.

I finally bought the Pinephone, because it's cheaper but I want Librem 5 to success, mainly  because they try to be as "free" as they can despite I cannot afford it at the moment.

About the freedom I think it's impossible to have 100% of privacy, mainly because when you need to do a simple buy with your debit or credit card they identify you in some way. I also know that it's impossible to have 100% privacy even if your software is 100% free for the blobs in hardware but I respect Librem 5 because they are trying to have 100% hardware free. It's a hard way to walk but at least they are trying.

I also though about stay without phone like Stallman but I just can't, because of work I must have a phone, and also more important for me because of my family. I live in other country and the main way to communicate with them is via phone.
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Reply #3
Privacy and Security are currently top selling buzzwords. There's a hefty group of people heavily attracted by corporate products marketed this way. IMHO scams like Librem and Pine are prime examples of this sheep logic. It's impossible to have privacy nor security with a cellphone simply because the whole technology has a long technical debt and is full of known security issues and weakness ranging from communication protocols through encryption-decryption algorithms to modem hardware flaws, that are now impossible to fix for compatibility reasons, or at least would be very costly to fix, and no telecommunications company is exactly a charity fund. So basically you have three options:
  • Don't use a cellphone.
  • Use a basic cellphone running on dedicated firmware, no android/ios/other-os BS.
  • Use a smartphone running without proprietary software or in case of android at least without google services.

Re: Librem 5 or PinePhone

Reply #4
Privacy and Security are currently top selling buzzwords. There's a hefty group of people heavily attracted by corporate products marketed this way. IMHO scams like Librem and Pine are prime examples of this sheep logic.

I think its a bit unfair to call them scams.  Yes, no phone is the best answer here from a privacy view, but they do provide a more private experience than something like an iOS/Android device.  The PinePhone also seems to be largely marketed more as a tinkerer's device than a privacy enhancing one by Pine64, its really others that are looking at it as a privacy/security tool.

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Reply #5
A lot of those non-free OS phones have a very limited update support life, not many years on, you have an obsolete piece of junk and a lot of the software features stop working. I'd guess something using Linux might fare better.

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Reply #6
A lot of those non-free OS phones have a very limited update support life, not many years on, you have an obsolete piece of junk and a lot of the software features stop working. I'd guess something using Linux might fare better.

That's Another reason I bought a Linux phone. Pinephone promised to have better support. Also Librem would. I am going to be someone like a beta tester because os for mobiles are quite immature. Thanks everybody for their reply. Your opinion is important so I can see another points of view.
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