XFCE freshly installed from weekly ISO freezes

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Re: XFCE freshly installed from weekly ISO freezes

Reply #15 – 15 December 2022, 19:34:51

Quote from: Sov Thade Tage em Ereb – on 15 December 2022, 18:29:28

oh could you please tell WHAT DE/WM do you use?

I use KDE / Plasma.
I've been using KDE way back since version1.0. Before that FVWM.
I did stop for a while when KDE 4 was forced on users by many distros before it was feature complete but went back later on.
I've tried most desktop environments with a stacking window manager. I don't get on with tiling.
Gnome has been out of the question for me since version 3
I have LXQT on a low power chromebook I take on rare holidays. But still with Dolphin Kate etc.
I just prefer QT over GTK i guess? Personal preference.

Re: XFCE freshly installed from weekly ISO freezes

Reply #16 – 15 December 2022, 20:57:52

Quote from: Sov Thade Tage em Ereb – on 15 December 2022, 18:54:51

now i am going to try following stuff:

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

<openbox_menu xmlns="http://openbox.org/3.4/menu">
<!-- and ends with -->
<!-- [...] REST OF XML MENU -->

<menu id="exit-menu" label="Exit">
	<item label="Log Out">
		<action name="Execute">
			<command>openbox --exit</command>
		</action>
	</item>
	<item label="Shutdown">
		<action name="Execute">
			<command>loginctl poweroff</command>
		</action>
	</item>
	<item label="Restart">
		<action name="Execute">
		        <command>loginctl reboot</command>
		</action>
	</item>
	<item label="Suspend">
		<action name="Execute">
		        <command>loginctl suspend</command>
		</action>
	</item>
	<item label="Hibernate">
		<action name="Execute">
		        <command>loginctl hibernate</command>
		</action>
	</item>
</menu>

<menu id="root-menu" label="Openbox 3">
<!--  <menu id="applications" label="Apples" execute="xdg_menu --format openbox3-pipe --root-menu /etc/xdg/menus/arch-applications.menu" /> -->
  <separator />
  
<menu id="Applications"/>
<menu id="exit-menu"/>
    <separator />
  <item label="Reconfigure Openbox">
    <action name="Reconfigure" />
  </item>
    <separator />
  <item label="Log Out">
    <action name="Exit">
      <prompt>yes</prompt>
    </action>
  </item>
</menu>

it is a solution to my openbox`s logout issue!!! thank you Suren!!! the menu entries were referring to systemd [implied strangely]

Re: XFCE freshly installed from weekly ISO freezes

Reply #17 – 15 December 2022, 21:25:11

Quote from: gripped – on 11 December 2022, 18:53:00

You are trying to start a service which does not exist [...] xfce4-notifyd is started via a .desktop file.
The package places the file /etc/xdg/autostart/xfce4-notifyd.desktop
If xfce is running and xfce4-notifyd is not try copying the file I mentioned into ~/.config/autostart/

a content of xfce4-notifyd.desktop in ~/.config/autostart/

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[Desktop Entry]
Hidden=false

a content of xfce4-notifyd.desktop in /etc/xdg/autostart/xfce4-notifyd.desktop

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[Desktop Entry]
Type=Application
Name=Xfce Notification Daemon
Exec=/usr/lib/xfce4/notifyd/xfce4-notifyd
Icon=org.xfce.notification
OnlyShowIn=XFCE;

copying it to ~/.config/autostart/ now

update: XFCE freshly installed from weekly ISO freezes

Reply #18 – 15 December 2022, 21:46:41

in original post i mentioned a 'ghost' window without content appearing and terminating upon login into XFCE:
here is a content of my .xsession-errors.old

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propsReply "Method \"GetAll\" with signature \"s\" on interface \"org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties\" doesn't exist\n"
nmReply "Method \"GetDevices\" with signature \"\" on interface \"org.freedesktop.NetworkManager\" doesn't exist\n"
"Object path cannot be empty"

and at this login i have seen a TITLE OF THAT 'GHOST'
it is started with Network or Networking!!!

ghosts: XFCE freshly installed from weekly ISO freezes

Reply #19 – 17 December 2022, 04:14:21

I HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING;
that ghost window is still haunting my machine... and i even have read its full title: 'Network Manager';
but ..useless --after doing pacman -Syu openconnect gtk-engines gtk-engine-murrine
i have no complaints about missed 'murrine' engine from Gtk [naturally] or missing some-lib-vpn from connman but
that ghost window is still shown [without any content, and then blown away as usually]^[1]

but if anyone is willing to check anything related to those crashes [after doing pacman -Syu openconnect gtk-engines gtk-engine-murrine i have not had any yet --using Openbox now] then i have logs related to a real fresh crash after an update to XFCE v4.18 [from v4.16]

and somehow i have learned how to trigger it --i have messed with Openbox at that session where these logs came from
i have killed xfconf and xfce4-screensaver and xfce4-power-manager using XFCE`s task manager in Openbox --which [OB] has immediately crashed with all the symptoms described in original post.

i don`t know what those services [xfconf and xfce4-screensaver and xfce4-power-manager] do in Openbox but i would try to go into it directly [without logging into XFCE at boot firstly]

i am not sure enough but i suspect that

this installation has some broken gears in DBus [in OB was triggered by murders of xfconf and xfce4-screensaver and xfce4-power-manager]
or maybe it`s related to video card --Openbox does not do compositing so it`s lighter on resources hence exists longer / is stable

oh by the way i have 512MiB of stolen video memory^[2] but Artix XFCE weekly Live iso is totally fine.

the crash has occured at this point

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Dec 17 01:59:46 amelanchier dbus-daemon[3741]: [session uid=1000 pid=3739] Activating service name='org.xfce.Xfconf' requested by ':1.38' (uid=1000 pid=4706 comm="xfce4-taskmanager")
Dec 17 01:59:46 amelanchier dbus-daemon[3741]: [session uid=1000 pid=3739] Successfully activated service 'org.xfce.Xfconf'
Dec 17 02:01:01 amelanchier CROND[4781]: (root) CMD (run-parts /etc/cron.hourly)
Dec 17 02:01:01 amelanchier CROND[4780]: (root) CMDEND (run-parts /etc/cron.hourly)
Dec 17 02:02:07 amelanchier root[4858]: ACPI group/action undefined: button/up / UP
Dec 17 02:02:07 amelanchier root[4862]: ACPI group/action undefined: button/up / UP

and these messages

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Dec 17 01:56:22 amelanchier kernel: xfce4-taskmanag[4676]: segfault at fffffffffffffff9 ip 00007f1488042b4e sp 00007ffe0b4f0570 error 5 in libc.so.6[7f1487fce000+15b000]
Dec 17 01:56:22 amelanchier kernel: Code: 18 5a fe ff 0f 1f 84 00 00 00 00 00 f3 0f 1e fa 48 85 ff 0f 84 bb 00 00 00 55 48 8d 77 f0 53 48 83 ec 18 48 8b 1d 1a 12 14 00 <48> 8b 47 f8 64 8b 2b a8 02 75 57 48 8b 15 88 11 14 00 64 48 83 3a
Dec 17 01:56:36 amelanchier root[4727]: ACPI group/action undefined: button/up / UP
[...]
Dec 17 01:59:27 amelanchier kernel: xfce4-taskmanag[4731]: segfault at b ip 00007f9b7f4473c0 sp 00007ffca3f10450 error 4 in libgtk-3.so.0.2404.31[7f9b7f1d8000+381000]
Dec 17 01:59:27 amelanchier kernel: Code: 66 2e 0f 1f 84 00 00 00 00 00 f3 0f 1e fa 48 83 ec 08 48 85 ff 0f 84 8f 00 00 00 48 85 f6 0f 84 a6 00 00 00 8b 17 85 d2 7e 30 <8b> 0e 85 c9 7e 52 48 8b 7f 08 48 8b 76 08 31 c0 44 8b 0c 86 44 39

were issued when i firstly switched to 'tree view' [task manager has crashed]
and secondly ...i have forgotten what i have done [task manager has crashed]

p.s.: no it is not related^[3] to video card overloaded or whatever else overloaded --making this post i have exceeded the limit of some 400...0 characters so i have cut the excess of code into attached file --but while i was selecting-and-scrolling my K50IN-Pentium-T4300-Nvidia-GeForce-G102M has gotten really hot and was even gasping at the top of post`s draft
--no crash in Openbox has occured!!!
it is XFCE`s problem!

p.p.s.: i am going to remove it or to make clean installation now

¹i have used my Android smartphone`s camera to slow down laptop`s framerate and even have made a tiny recording↵

²i did it in BIOS↵

³simple observation: XFCE is running => my machine has the cooler in its full insanity; Openbox or JWM are running => my machine is slightly warm! i suspect a compositor, this my old first machine WAS ALWAYS getting hot until i have tried Openbox or JWM [Windows 7 was such a disaster back then in 2013, MS kills the computers] ↵

i was wrong: XFCE freshly installed from weekly ISO freezes

Reply #20 – 20 December 2022, 10:00:54

i was wrong --it`s not XFCE`s issue --at least i`m not sure that it is.
i have removed all of XFCE yesterday and while i was in JWM [i`ve spent nearly hour in it then] my machine has experienced a crash with the same symptoms as for ones were in XFCE.
i guess it is a DBus broken or maybe some other error occured during installation, maybe some component was missed ...i don`t know.

i was editing JWM`s configuration XML and i have made a syntactic error that crashed a panel [i`ve put clipboard manager into 'startupCommand' instead of into Tray`s 'Swallow'] --i was setting JWM as autostart entry in LightDM`s config and then tried to paste modified file over original one so after i have gotten Caja`s 'rename-replace-etc' dialog my system has become frozen again.
i don`t know linux internals deeply enough yet...
now i am obtaining a set of fresh iso images [all are openRC] --i want to try installing Mate, Gtk-community and XFCE [one after another, maybe].
but my real dream is to install base image onto that my older laptop [Asus K50IN, Intel Pentium T4300 (Penryn-3M)] and then to install JWM and some stuff i need for work and nothing more --having too much background services would be an overload for her again.