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Neither Linux nor systemd are my religion and i think that's ok but some people

So i have chosen Seventh Day Adventism.  And now maybe i shouldnt even play video games at all but i do for now.  I'm in an mmorpg with a name that shows i use linux and when people ask me what i use, i of course tell them Artix.  Yesterday night i was doing some group content with random people and someone mentioned that they use arch.  And so i was like oh! btw, i use artix, arch without systemd.  And then after the group content concluded we talked politely for a while about why they like systemd and why i don't.  Well you can gguess by the title of this post that i clearly offended his systemd religion. Or so it seems. As soon as i felt it was a conversation that was descending into "you're wrong, no you're wrong and here's why..." i decided it was late and bowed out.  Now clearly that person is a systemd fanboy who wants to evangelize me with his belief system but as you might have guessed i have my own and i consider it larger than systemd or linux.  I really like Artix and so one of my opinions which i dont usually share is that i generally regard systemd as a parasite attempting to take control of my pc. I of course didnt say that yesterday night as that would have erupted into ww33.  I generally just point out that systemd cant easily be removed from arch and that to replace the init and uninstall systemd requires one to rebuild many if not most of the packages without a systemd dependency.  I say that even if i replace the initi i would still have to have systemd installed because so many packages are dependent on it when they are built.  I say that if i run a runnit init and i chose to instead use openrc or dinit it's pretty easy to swap those out without having to recompile my system from the ground up.  That's what i said last night to mr arch user/systemd fanboy.  Eventually i just alt-f4 my game and ended the conversation.  Tonight i got people emailing me in game and calling me out in zone chat for things that are not a violation of the game, trolling for a fight.  Apparently the systemd acolytes wont take this lying down.

So my question to the forum is this:  What do you say to people when you suddenly realize you're in a conversation with a systemd fanboy who wont be wrong if you stacked the evidence to the moon and back?
Cat Herders of Linux

Re: Neither Linux nor systemd are my religion and i think that's ok but some people

Reply #1 –
Well some people just love to wind others up, and remember Mark Twain's famous quote “Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
One big problem with systemd is simply that it tries to be all things to all people, which might be great for beginners or people who don't know or care what they want. But imagine a single vehicle that tried to combine the features of a car, motorcycle, truck, bus, and farm tractor - would it really be the optimum choice for any of those roles? The more discerning user chooses something that does just what they want it to do, while on a check box level you can look at systemd and point out it has all these extra features, they are only dead weight in the codebase if you don't need them. But you will probably struggle to explain that to some if they are not ready to understand it.

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Quote from: cat herders of linux – on
What do you say to people when you suddenly realize your in a conversation with a systemd fanboy who wont be wrong if you stacked the evidence to the moon and back?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues

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Poettering describes systemd development as "never finished, never complete, but tracking progress of technology"

With this, the grandmaster L.P. more than clearly explains why systemd is a huge pile of shit and nobody should use it because there might be more bugs than lines of code.

My favourite argument against systemd was, is and remains the description of PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames.

So that you have your peace of mind, you can also post the following to the fools:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenRC
https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/issues

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runit
"Wer alles kann, macht nichts richtig"

Artix USE="runit openrc slim openbox lxde gtk2 qt4 qt5 qt6 conky
-gtk3 -gtk4 -adwaita{cursors,themes,icons} -gnome3 -kde -plasma -wayland "

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systemd 255 Released With A "Blue Screen of Death" For Linux Systems


[        ***  ] A stop job is running for systemd-bsod ( 35s / 1m 30s, nah let's make it 3m 40s )
ctrl+alt+del (cause ctrl+c is from those pesky "ancient" scripts)
[954276babla seconds.252 cause ms certainly matter even without a serial console] systemd-shutdown: Waiting for process: bsod
unplugging pc from the wall cause it probably blocks irq keybinds

 :D

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