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Long pause at "Initializing random number generator"

I updated, and uninstalled libreoffice-fresh and it's deps first, because I didn't need it anymore. Then I installed jdk 6 from the AUR. (An old unsupported version of java.)
Now I am getting a long pause on every boot after the  "Initializing random number generator" message is shown onscreen.
I guess I'll have to rewind that lot and see what's causing it, unless anyone else has the answer already if they've encountered it.

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[2018-09-17 03:08] [PACMAN] Running 'pacman -Rs libreoffice-fresh'
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[2018-09-17 03:09] [PACMAN] Running 'pacman -Syyu'
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[2018-09-17 03:19] [ALPM] warning: /etc/nanorc installed as /etc/nanorc.pacnew
[2018-09-17 03:19] [ALPM] upgraded nano (2.9.8-1 -> 3.0-2)
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[2018-09-17 03:34] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] For the complete set of Java binaries to be available in your PATH,
[2018-09-17 03:34] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] you need to re-login or source /etc/profile.d/jre.sh
[2018-09-17 03:34] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] Please note that this package does not support forcing JAVA_HOME as former package java-common did
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[2018-09-17 03:40] [PACMAN] Running '/usr/bin/pacman -U /home/me/artix/makepkg/jdk6/jdk6/jdk6-6u45-6-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz'
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[2018-09-17 03:40] [ALPM] running 'update-mime-database.hook'...

Re: Long pause at "Initializing random number generator"

Reply #1 –
The problem is openssl:
[2018-09-17 03:19] [ALPM] upgraded openssl (1.1.0.i-1 -> 1.1.1-1)
$ cd /var/cache/pacman/pkg
$ sudo pacman -U openssl-1.1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
Long hang at boot, over a minute.
$ sudo pacman -U openssl-1.1.0.i-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
Normal boot.

The old version included an 'i' so was probably more 'intelligent'.  ;D

Re: Long pause at "Initializing random number generator"

Reply #2 –
That's still the latest version available today of openssl which causes the problem.
Another IgnorePkg! The 4.18.9 kernel should fix the C2D boothang though, when it arrives in due course.
/etc/pacman.conf
IgnorePkg   = linux linux-api-headers openssl

Re: Long pause at "Initializing random number generator"

Reply #3 –
facinating.  What happened to haved?

Re: Long pause at "Initializing random number generator"

Reply #4 –
It's not installed, but it wasn't previously:

$ cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail
3802

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Haveged
According to that page it is not required as the number is well over 1000. (I don't know much about all that though, I found that page just now.)

Pre - existing knowledge : haveged - annoying thing that makes you wait while booting the Artix USB...  ;)

Re: Long pause at "Initializing random number generator"

Reply #5 –
Quote from: ####### – on
The problem is openssl:
[2018-09-17 03:19] [ALPM] upgraded openssl (1.1.0.i-1 -> 1.1.1-1)
$ cd /var/cache/pacman/pkg
$ sudo pacman -U openssl-1.1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
Long hang at boot, over a minute.
$ sudo pacman -U openssl-1.1.0.i-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
Normal boot.

The old version included an 'i' so was probably more 'intelligent'.  ;D


I tried this and among other things pacman died as libcurl and libcrypto were not compatible.
How did I get out of the mess?  Backup 2nd installation (1-2 delay in updating from primary cache) , copy paste incompatible libraries to get pacman running again.

Did anyone else try it?

Re: Long pause at "Initializing random number generator"

Reply #6 –
I'm fully updated, my Pacman is still working. I'm using the stable repos, not gremlins.
Other than holding the kernel due to the C2D issues, I'm doing nothing special otherwise. libcrypto is a part of openssl, so I don't see how you managed to get an incompatible version unless the  openssl downgrade didn't work somehow.
I do have 2 similar packages installed, openssl and openssl-1.0, perhaps you got the wrong one.
libressl is an alternative to openssl, available in the AUR, but I have no idea what complications it might bring. I have considered it as an option for the future (hopefully the openssl issues will be resolved in time) or perhaps installing haveged as Mr Brooklyn suggested, or some other workaround, to do the random number initialization in some other way.

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:: Starting full system upgrade...
warning: linux: ignoring package upgrade (4.17.14.artix1-1 => 4.18.8.artix1-1)
warning: openssl: ignoring package upgrade (1.1.0.i-1 => 1.1.1-1)
 there is nothing to do

$ pacman -Qo /usr/lib/libcrypto.so
/usr/lib/libcrypto.so is owned by openssl 1.1.0.i-1

$ pacman -Qo /usr/lib/libcurl.so
/usr/lib/libcurl.so is owned by curl 7.61.1-1

system/openssl 1.1.1-1 [installed: 1.1.0.i-1]
    The Open Source toolkit for Secure Sockets Layer and Transport Layer Security
system/openssl-1.0 1.0.2.p-1 [installed]
    The Open Source toolkit for Secure Sockets Layer and Transport Layer Security

Re: Long pause at "Initializing random number generator"

Reply #8 –
Quote from: fungalnet – on

I tried this and among other things pacman died as libcurl and libcrypto were not compatible.
How did I get out of the mess?  Backup 2nd installation (1-2 delay in updating from primary cache) , copy paste incompatible libraries to get pacman running again.

Did anyone else try it?


install package by package fr all the depenent packages

Re: Long pause at "Initializing random number generator"

Reply #9 –
openssl says this :
Required By     : coreutils  curl  git  iputils  ldns  libarchive  libsasl  libssh2  openssh  python  python2  s-nail  testdisk
Optional For    : apr-util
while openssl-1.0 says this :
Required By     : wpa_supplicant

So openssl-1.0 isn't relevant after all, it's only there to supply an older version of the same package for wpa_supplicant.

Re: Long pause at "Initializing random number generator"

Reply #10 –
Why are you doing that.  You have a conflict between libcurl and libcrypto?  The hardest thing about helping people in these forums is that folks don't listen to you, then they do something different and then they don't communicate what is happening.  We left off this conversation with a pacman conflict with libcurl and libcrypto.

Install the libcurb and all the  dependencies one by one

Re: Long pause at "Initializing random number generator"

Reply #12 –
Quote from: ####### – on
That's still the latest version available today of openssl which causes the problem.
Another IgnorePkg! The 4.18.9 kernel should fix the C2D boothang though, when it arrives in due course.
/etc/pacman.conf
IgnorePkg   = linux linux-api-headers openssl




BTW - you do not want openssl in the ignore of pacman because it is a highly explosed part of your system with regular security updates.

Re: Long pause at "Initializing random number generator"

Reply #13 –
FWIW - I just did the complete upgrade on my workstation and no troubles with boot times and entropy.  OTOH I don't have sshd as a start up dameon

Re: Long pause at "Initializing random number generator"

Reply #14 –
It's fungalnet having lib compat issues, not me, but I don't know how, or with what repos, as I'm not getting those problems. I found openssl to be the problem by downgrading packages from the upgrade one by one, openssl was the last one I came to. I'm only ignoring it until a newer version comes along to try, like the kernel, the next release should fix the problems with that and I'll un-ignore it. That means I can still update the rest of my system in the meanwhile, which is better than just not updating. Also I need to do this to add and remove other software easily when required.
The boot seems to hang for me at this point:
/etc/init.d/urandom
                ebegin "Initializing random number generator"
                cat "$urandom_seed" > /dev/urandom
Well that's the last boot message onscreen before the hang anyway. I don't have sshd either.