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Another systemd-free distro

Chimera linux is systemd free using elogind/dinit, but is mostly bsed on BSD userland (I think) see Chimera Linux works toward a simplified desktop.

Not sure I like this in the article
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""the so-called 'systemd-free community', which tends to spread a lot of misconceptions and frankly deranged opinions that [end] up hurting any sort of positive effort.""

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Not sure I like this in the article
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""the so-called 'systemd-free community', which tends to spread a lot of misconceptions and frankly deranged opinions that [end] up hurting any sort of positive effort.""
I've come across this before and took slight issue with the paragraph that comes from..
The less abridged version from https://chimera-linux.org/docs/faq#what-is-the-projects-take-on-systemd
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Another side of the coin is the so-called “systemd-free community”, which tends to spread a lot of misconceptions and frankly deranged opinions that end up hurting any sort of positive effort. Chimera as a project denounces such people, and is explicitly not a part of this community. Such people should also not view Chimera as some sort of haven, because it is not. The project is explicitly anti-elitist and aims to find constructive solutions.

"So-called" because no such community actually exists except in the sense of "Distros that don't use systemd, or offer a choice not to".
"The project is explicitly anti-elitist".  But derides the rest of systemd-free community (which they are part of no matter the disclaimer) as deranged nutters who they are better than. Which is sort of the definition of elitism.

Overall it looks really interesting but the holier than thou stuff seems unnecessary?

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AFAIK the author of chimera is the same person who is primary dinit developer and is has account on this forum
ARMtix

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I'll just leave this here.

I asked a question in #chimera-linux about turnstile.
FWIW the integration work is to add a few small changes detailed here. https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,6929.msg45684.html#msg45684

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10:37 PM <n00b> https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,7603.msg45624.html#msg45624 is where I was told about it but I may misunderstand 
10:55 PM <•q66> n00b: looks like an artix problem and my level of care about artix problems is very low so i will not check deeper
10:58 PM <n00b> n00b well thank you for your time q66
11:07 PM <•q66> n00b: considering the number of times anyone from your community ever reached out to me to work on proper integration rather than working on their own half broken stuff was roughly zero, you can't really blame me for that i can't be expected to put time into that kind of stuff when i get absolutely nothing out of it
11:34 PM <natthias[m]> org.matrix:natthias n00b: artix doesn't have graphical service support in turnstile
11:34 PM <deathmist> or rather they haven't configured any(?) of their 10 or whatever init systems to properly deal with that. dinit-chimera has what's used here and it works it needs integration work, turnstile doesn't magically make other inits rival systemd user services
Friday, January 3rd, 2025
1:10 AM <n00b> n00b thanks natthias[m] and deathmist.

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AFAIK the author of chimera is the same person who is primary dinit developer and is has account on this forum
AFAIK Davin is awesome

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Interesting, that they are planning to replace elogind with something.
And they are making turnstile: https://github.com/chimera-linux/turnstile.

There is another distro that it's not using any systemd component, maybe not sure surely, but it still not ready https://os.ewe.moe/about.
It is another non-GNU distro like Chimera.

Not nice that Chimera calls people that do not want to use system deranged nuts.
I remember somebody saying "no-systemd nuts" in the chat.

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I had used chimera for awhile and they derided artic for using broken scripts and patchwork nonsense to get the system running.  They didn't like me talking and blocked me and my opinion because it wasn't theirs.  I wasn't rude.  I spoke plainly and they refused to allow me to even get support for issues I was having and started name calling insults.   Elitist is a good word for how they behaved toward me there.  But really I don't see the point in any case about coming here and talking down about them even if it is true.  Just makes us no better then the folks we complaining about. 
Cat Herders of Linux

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The elite almost always claim not to be elitist

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The elite almost always claim not to be elitist

I don't know what he, that little man who creates Chimera Linux, thinks of himself. Maybe he's a tree, maybe he's a dog, or maybe he thinks of himself as a cow. I don't care and I don't care. But his views, written on the official website, say a lot.
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Specific examples of things considered harmful and not welcome:

    Far-right and adjacent movements, tankies, putinists and other equivalent authoritarian chuddery
    Racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc.
    Complaining about SJWs

So, let him go to hell (although the product he created is definitely good).


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The elite almost always claim not to be elitist

I don't know what he, that little man who creates Chimera Linux, thinks of himself. Maybe he's a tree, maybe he's a dog, or maybe he thinks of himself as a cow. I don't care and I don't care. But his views, written on the official website, say a lot.
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Specific examples of things considered harmful and not welcome:

    Far-right and adjacent movements, tankies, putinists and other equivalent authoritarian chuddery
    Racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc.
    Complaining about SJWs

So, let him go to hell (although the product he created is definitely good).



Huh.  So telling him how much i enjoyed watching SDA Camp meeting with Dr Conrad Vine on chimera linux didn't go over well with him then?  Well that explains a lot.
Cat Herders of Linux

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Specific examples of things considered harmful and not welcome:

    Far-right and adjacent movements, tankies, putinists and other equivalent authoritarian chuddery
    Racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc.
    Complaining about SJWs

So, let him go to hell (although the product he created is definitely good).
meh, sounds like someone I can get along with.
Remember, always punch the NAZI!

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Remember, always punch the NAZI!
Not quite Godwin's law but close. This thread should take up the resting position of a Norwegian Blue.
I came here for a disagreement.

Firstly, the Norwegian Blue does not exist. so it's resting position is non nonsensical. 8]

Secondly, Godwin's is about the devolution, and comparing to. Hardly similar to wise moral advice.

Poe's law was made for these guys

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Not quite Godwin's law but close. This thread should take up the resting position of a Norwegian Blue.
I came here for a disagreement.

Firstly, the Norwegian Blue does not exist. so it's resting position is non nonsensical. 8]

Secondly, Godwin's is about the devolution, and comparing to. Hardly similar to wise moral advice.

Poe's law was made for these guys

BAH!  You havent lived until you shaved your legs with occam's razor
Cat Herders of Linux