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According to some facebook post reported at tomshardware, here we are all security risks for discussing linux.
 

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And malware...  And so I might assert systemd is malware????   So we should be safe
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So, let him go to hell (although the product he created is definitely good).
meh, sounds like someone I can get along with.
Remember, always punch the NAZI!

I agree with that. That's true, but equating the leader of a country that defeated fascism and Nazism with fascists is not only absurd. It smells to me like the bad smell of double standards practiced in the speeches of today's Western political "elite", where white is black, where lies is truth, where war is a peace, and where ignorance is strength.

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Remember, always punch the NAZI!
I agree with that. That's true, but [...]
This is not the place to advocate physical violence against anyone, regardless of nationality, political affiliation, religion or any other distinguishing trait. Not even against Poettering.

Keep it technical or threads will be locked and posts will be deleted.

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meh, sounds like someone I can get along with.
Remember, always punch the NAZI!

... but equating the leader of a country that defeated fascism and Nazism with fascists is not only absurd. It smells to me like the bad smell of double standards practiced in the speeches of today's Western political "elite", where white is black, where lies is truth, where war is a peace, and where ignorance is strength.

what?
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I agree with that. That's true, but [...]
This is not the place to advocate physical violence against anyone, regardless of nationality, political affiliation, religion or any other distinguishing trait. Not even against Poettering.

Keep it technical or threads will be locked and posts will be deleted.
I totally agree.
Except...
Is it ok to advocate violence against the violent? Is that not just fair play? Of course this assumes the premise.

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Except...
No exceptions.

Outside this forum everyone can do whatever they want, for all I care. This place is for technical discussions only, or, at most, political implications of software/hardware issues. No advocacy or endorsement of violence whatsoever shall be tolerated, there are more suitable (and non-virtual) spaces for such activities.

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Here's my 2 cents about Chimera which I installed and spent some time with it. On the positive side: the documentation is well written though kind of minimal (I started with the minimal install) and after 2 days of figuring out what packages I need for a basic Wayland desktop, I got everything working and the experience is no different then Artix dinit. On the negative side: by comparison to Artix/Arch the number of packages is very limited and the naming of existing packages was very confusing which is why it took me so long to be able to install a basic functional desktop. As for extra documentation and help, almost non existent and posting on github, we sow how helpful that was.
Bottom line, novelty factor aside...

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My 2 cents on Chimera are, I want to like it, but I worry about long-term direction.

Their goal of using an alternative userland while rivaling or surpassing the user friendliness of the classic desktop distros like Ubuntu or Fedora, and their work on building powerful and portable (distro-, init-, sometimes kernel- agnostic) plumbing for that goal is awesome, and I like to keep tabs on it for this reason. Some pieces from Chimera even found their way into one of my old Gentoo experiments.

I'm also curious about what'll happen if they actually try to get big name systemd "sellers" like GNOME to adopt their libraries instead of using the systemd API directly.

However, I don't like that KISS design is explicitly not a goal of theirs, and some of the new stuff they're creating needlessly apes systemd's SPOFy designs -- e. g. one of their mid-to-long term goals is cron in PID 1. It admittedly only affects you if you care about how the software works under the hood, but if you didn't, you probably wouldn't use a non-systemd distro in the first place.

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My 2 cents on Chimera are, I want to like it, but I worry about long-term direction.

Their goal of using an alternative userland while rivaling or surpassing the user friendliness of the classic desktop distros like Ubuntu or Fedora, and their work on building powerful and portable (distro-, init-, sometimes kernel- agnostic) plumbing for that goal is awesome, and I like to keep tabs on it for this reason. Some pieces from Chimera even found their way into one of my old Gentoo experiments.

I'm also curious about what'll happen if they actually try to get big name systemd "sellers" like GNOME to adopt their libraries instead of using the systemd API directly.

However, I don't like that KISS design is explicitly not a goal of theirs, and some of the new stuff they're creating needlessly apes systemd's SPOFy designs -- e. g. one of their mid-to-long term goals is cron in PID 1. It admittedly only affects you if you care about how the software works under the hood, but if you didn't, you probably wouldn't use a non-systemd distro in the first place.
so its like that time the king of england in protest to the catholic church created a new church with the king of enland as the head but only succeded in recreating the catholic system he was protesting against?
Yah
i dont see the point of what they are doing unless they are trying to bring systemd to bsd.  that's my suspicion but it's best not to gossip about something i can't prove.
Cat Herders of Linux

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so its like that time the king of england in protest to the catholic church created a new church with the king of enland as the head but only succeded in recreating the catholic system he was protesting against?
It wasn't a protest against Catholic system? Henry VIII wanted to divorce his first wife. The pope wouldn't let him. So he split the English Church off, made himself the head of it, and granted himself his divorce. Untold thousands of both Catholics and Protestants in England suffered horribly in the years that followed due to his actions. But it was purely Henry VIII saying "No one's telling me what to do, I'm the King"

He later realised it was far simpler to just kill unwanted wives or claim the marriage was void due to lack of consummation. No divorce necessary.
As analogies go yours was not up there with the best imho. You are right though that the Anglican church is an almost exact mirror image of the Catholic church.
 

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so its like that time the king of england in protest to the catholic church created a new church with the king of enland as the head but only succeded in recreating the catholic system he was protesting against?
It wasn't a protest against Catholic system? Henry VIII wanted to divorce his first wife. The pope wouldn't let him. So he split the English Church off, made himself the head of it, and granted himself his divorce. Untold thousands of both Catholics and Protestants in England suffered horribly in the years that followed due to his actions. But it was purely Henry VIII saying "No one's telling me what to do, I'm the King"

He later realised it was far simpler to just kill unwanted wives or claim the marriage was void due to lack of consummation. No divorce necessary.
As analogies go yours was not up there with the best imho. You are right though that the Anglican church is an almost exact mirror image of the Catholic church.
yes, i am well aware of all those facts.  foir brevity's sake i simplified the argument.  and yes it is easier to claim no consumation or just kill them out right.   who's gonna go against the king and call him a liar?

Cat Herders of Linux