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Good News for Mirrors

I reached out to panix (www.panix.com) about setting up a mirror on their sizable pipe.  For those not in the know, panix is one of the 3 oldest ISPs in the US and well positioned.  I am being offered a jointly sponsored mirror on their Manhattan pipe for a reasonable fee that I can certainly afford. 

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On May 1, 2025, at 3:33 PM, Ruben Safir via RT <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, May 01, 2025 at 10:18:01AM -0400, Alexis Rosen via RT wrote:
>> On Apr 30, 2025, at 9:14 PM, Ruben Safir via RT <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> The mirror is 41 gigs on my system and I am asking about volum numbers
>>> from the Artix Team.  Hopefully they will get me an answer soon.
>>>
>>> Right now I am mirroring on my cable modem at 300 Mbps (which I serously
>>> doubt they deliver).  I'd like to get them a bigger and more dependable
>>> pipe in NYC.
>>
>> This seems pretty infeasible for the shared servers.
>>
>> On the other hand, using a VC (https://www.panix.com/v-colo/plans.html) would probably work well. A VC-1 has more than enough storage, and memory shouldn't be an issue for what is mostly an FTP/web server.
>>
>> Transfers might be high; we might be willing to offer a deal on that. Let me know what kind of volume you think you'd need.
>>
>> BTW, your cable modem likely does better than 300mbps downloads these days. But uploading? Not even close. As a server, you're probably delivering somewhere between 10 and 20mbps. (And despite that, that's probably a better price per bit delivered than what we can offer, as quality costs, although we can obviously do much higher bandwidth.)
>>
>> /a
>
> I have no objection to paying a reasonable chage for what is needed.
> The community can use the support and I have a budget that includes such
> activities
>
> mirror1% vnstat -m | grep ate
>        month        rx      |     tx      |    total    |   avg. rate
>     estimated    866.95 GiB |    9.93 TiB |   10.77 TiB |
>
> mirror2% vnstat -m | grep ate
>        month        rx      |     tx      |    total    |   avg. rate
>     estimated    422.89 GiB |    8.85 TiB |    9.27 TiB |
>
> mirror3% vnstat -m | grep ate
>        month        rx      |     tx      |    total    |   avg. rate
>     estimated      591.0 GB |    918.8 GB |      1.5 TB |

Then this seems feasible. The VC-1 includes 4TB transfers. I'm willing to sponsor 8TB more (12 total). Unless they see a ton of growth and no new mirrors, you won't see any xfer charges.

If you want to run Artix on the VC, you'll need to upload a cloud install image. Otherwise, you can use whatever distro you like among the ones we support.

If you want to do this, just sign up for a VC-1 the normal way. Once you're up and running, reply to this ticket again and we'll set up the sponsored extra xfers.

/a


This will greatly expand, I believe, our reliability and reach.  Panix has very reasonable fees to begin with, this is  about $20 a month.  I actually hope to pay a few years in advance

https://www.panix.com/v-colo/plans.html

I will likely order it up over the weekend unless there is an objection.  I would like one other person aside from me as admin and contact since I am old and expect to die in the not too far off future.  It should outlive me.  Alex seems sincerely interested in getting us on board and to make a modest contribution with extra bit traffic.

Re: Good News for Mirrors

Reply #1 –
I, for one, am objecting to this. Paying a provider to mirror an open-source project is something akin to paying a peddler to dispense your own free cookies.

@mrbrklyn, please do me a favor and save the money for something better, a charity perhaps. We have more than enough mirrors as it is to keep our users happy, at least 4 of them in major US .edu domain with yuge hoses.

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Quote from: nous – on
I, for one, am objecting to this. Paying a provider to mirror an open-source project is something akin to paying a peddler to dispense your own free cookies.

@mrbrklyn, please do me a favor and save the money for something better, a charity perhaps. We have more than enough mirrors as it is to keep our users happy, at least 4 of them in major US .edu domain with yuge hoses.


Who do you think pays for the current mirrors?  Nothing is free.  When an institution agrees to mirror, it requires payment.  We are, having, with all due respect, some problems with a variety of our mirrors, and I'd like to see this Artix thing grow.   I am talking about coffee money here on the widest pipe that I know of on the east coast.

If you don't want it, I won't do it.  It  is not like we don't already have a Panix account.

I know that money has different meaning in Greece than in NYC, but this is a city of commerce and it is expensive.  But we make money here.  The monies spent on Artix is truffles.  It wouldn't feed a homeless person for a day.   And NYLXS has been planning this support for some time.  I am anticipating to move all of NYLXS infrastructure to Panix eventually as it is more reliable, they are free software friendly, and less expensive than our current infrastructure solution.

Re: Good News for Mirrors

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Quote from: mrbrklyn
Nothing is free.

This was my first thought, having reasonably low price on permanent and hopefully good mirror should be Ok since somebody pays for it at the end anyway.
 

Re: Good News for Mirrors

Reply #4 –
I also don't consider Artix Free like in Cookies :) - This is not a food bank but a community.