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Tor is the stupidist application on earth

After over a decade this privacy tool continues to be the most useless garbage for protecting privacy on earth.  It is so twisted and so useless that the general public WILL NEVER adopt it which defies its very purpose of existence.  As a result it is basically only useful for criminal organizations, and those with psychological disorders.

If it can't work out of the box without needing a PhD it is USELESS.

This continues to be a problem with cryptography in the general.  But tor is the most egregious example.  These developers just don't understand the ABCs necessary to obtain their social engineering goals... which is the software has to be understandable by a 4th grader to be of any use.

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I think they've already made it pretty easy to use. Installing a rebrand of Firefox and clicking "Connect" isn't that hard.

Making everything go through it VPN-style is certainly far less convenient, but it's pointless against invasive software since fingerprinting is even easier than within a browser. That's why software that doesn't phone home in the first place is the ideal.

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It doesn't work like that.  I am on an open network and you have to first install torr and run it as root after pouring over the configuration file, and then run the browser and it still falls on its face.  That is pretty broken.

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The Tor browser bundle worked on every computer and phone I've tried ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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In my opinion, if all you want to do is browse the web, Tor Browser is very intuitive. If you want to do anything else, that's when it gets hairy.

Quote from: mrbrklyn – on
I am on an open network and you have to first install torr and run it as root after pouring over the configuration file, and then run the browser and it still falls on its face.  That is pretty broken.

What are you running anything as root for? Grab torbrowser-launcher and run it. Give the browser a little time to connect and you're good. Are you trying to do the aforementioned "everything else" on the Tor network?

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First I loaded tor with pacman

sudo pacman -S tor

then I ran it and it couldn't open the logs files even after I created the directoris by hand as root and touched the log files.

Then I downloaded the browser and the browser couldn't connect with anything.

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Invoking the standalone tor client like that is only necessary if you intend on doing something other than web browsing. If all you need is the browser, you're over-complicating things. I can only assume what your intent is since you didn't actually answer my question.

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Then I downloaded the browser and the browser couldn't connect with anything.

What browser? Artix, Arch, or AUR package? Or did you grab a binary directly from Tor?

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flatbush:[ruben]:~$ sudo pacman -Ss tor-browser
[sudo] password for ruben:
galaxy/tor-browser 12.0.4-1
    Tor Browser Bundle: anonymous browsing using Firefox and Tor

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I may be mistaken, but I think that package is several versions out of date. Actually I don't see a repo for it in gitea at all. It should probably be removed. That's not Tor's fault, that's on us.

Most people tend to use torbrowser-launcher. I suggest you give that a try.

-edit-
tor-browser has been removed.

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Much better.  I don't know how we are supposed to know that.  It has no sound either.  It is one click and go, though

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I believe that the most useless thing that humanity could create with its resources is LLM.

PS. Tor is cool!  8)
 

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Quote from: mrbrklyn – on
Much better.  I don't know how we are supposed to know that.  It has no sound either.  It is one click and go, though

Simple. Have a read of relevant manual pages before diving in, saves a lot of frustration and guesswork.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Tor

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Install the torbrowser-launcher package to use the Tor Browser, which is the only supported way to browse the web anonymously using Tor.
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