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Re: Artix and libreX is famous

Reply #15 –
Quote from: Shoun2137 – on
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Are these people being shown something different on that page? While that section is a bit redundant and contradictory it seems to support the principles of DEI if not the acronym itself.

You're taking this from a common sense point of view. They don't. Most of them live in their bubble that is attuned to their frequency, and the main problem with these types of people is that they won't accept ANY aspect of your views or beliefs if it directly contradicts theirs. They can't be reasoned with, because if you try to act in good faith and show any kind of argument that has a solid foundation, they think you're tackling their beliefs and views, which is the crux of the matter because... due to their "perceived identity," by extension, it's like you're attacking them, since they can't comprehend that you have a different way of living.

I can't even understand what this paragraph addresses , but I find it essential to keep politics out of this (other than Free Software/Digital Rights politics) and to just focus on the tech.   I see no reason to drag the meandering rantings of a random non-moderated forum HERE... which just unnecessarily inflames people.

Re: Artix and libreX is famous

Reply #16 –
Quote from: mrbrklyn – on
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You're taking this from a common sense point of view. They don't. Most of them live in their bubble that is attuned to their frequency, and the main problem with these types of people is that they won't accept ANY aspect of your views or beliefs if it directly contradicts theirs. They can't be reasoned with, because if you try to act in good faith and show any kind of argument that has a solid foundation, they think you're tackling their beliefs and views, which is the crux of the matter because... due to their "perceived identity," by extension, it's like you're attacking them, since they can't comprehend that you have a different way of living.

I can't even understand what this paragraph addresses , but I find it essential to keep politics out of this (other than Free Software/Digital Rights politics) and to just focus on the tech.   I see no reason to drag the meandering rantings of a random non-moderated forum HERE... which just unnecessarily inflames people.

That's fair.  When getting political things can get angry pretty quick.

I will say that I, personally, did not see any contradiction in the statements quoted.  Since I see DEI as an overarching philosophy under which one could include practices like "affirmative action", by saying "we don't care what you are, all are welcome" they are "putting their foot down" in a sense against DEI (by way of affirmative action).  Essentially the right-wing argument against DEI is that you will inevitably have the focus of your recruiting criteria shifting away from skill/interest into representation of marginalized groups.

It's a political can of worms for sure and is the stuff of angry posters and youtube provocateurs.

I could go on and on and be one of those posters (no I'm not angry, it's just a topic I know a little about and have been following for quite some while), but I probably shouldn't have posted as much as I have already haha as it's quite off-topic.

Re: Artix and libreX is famous

Reply #17 –
I agree entirely, but it seems worth pointing out when many of the official discussions amongst maintainers about xlibre which are linked in the list of distros that said "no" on that page seem to be influenced by what is probably more accurately described as the opinions of spammers on the project mailing list rather than the stated position of the developers themselves.

Re: Artix and libreX is famous

Reply #18 –
Oh I see I think.  So you're saying that the project is getting a bad reputation and is thus being rejected by distros due to the political rantings of users (and/or spammers)?  If so that's unfortunate.  Definitely tough to manage any kind of "libre" project when freedom of speech is most likely an important idea to those behind the project.  It will attract lots of discussion of all kind,  but do you censor/moderate/ban?  I dunno.

Re: Artix and libreX is famous

Reply #19 –
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That's fair.  When getting political things can get angry pretty quick.

I will say that I, personally, did not see any contradiction in the statements quoted.  Since I see DEI

Please stop.  Don't say "I see what you mean" but let me continue with the politics and preaching anyway. 

Re: Artix and libreX is famous

Reply #20 –
Quote from: Wolzly – on
freedom of speech is most likely an important idea to those behind the project.

No it is not.  So we have no reason to engage in this off topic conversation.  take it to alt.comp.politics

Re: Artix and libreX is famous

Reply #21 –
I was just trying to clarify that DEI is not the same as "all are welcome" which is what there was some confusion about.  I didn't preach.  If offering insight into the possible meaning of statements that people are articulating confusion about is considered politically inappropriate well I dunno what to say about that.  Obviously the discussion should happen with the original poster of those statements and not with 3rd parties discussing said statements.  But they are being mentioned so I just thought I'd offer a little counter-argument to what seemed to be a claim of hypocrisy which I didn't see as such.

And I don't know anything about the people behind librex and I don't know anything about librex, i was just extrapolating that people who are enthusiastic about free and open source software might also be enthusiastic about free speech.  Maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe there's no link there at all if so my mistake.

My apologies if any offense was taken.  Not trying to step on anyone's beliefs just trying to illuminate on those of others.

Re: Artix and libreX is famous

Reply #23 –
Quote from: mrbrklyn – on
Quote from: Shoun2137 – on

You're taking this from a common sense point of view. They don't. Most of them live in their bubble that is attuned to their frequency, and the main problem with these types of people is that they won't accept ANY aspect of your views or beliefs if it directly contradicts theirs. They can't be reasoned with, because if you try to act in good faith and show any kind of argument that has a solid foundation, they think you're tackling their beliefs and views, which is the crux of the matter because... due to their "perceived identity," by extension, it's like you're attacking them, since they can't comprehend that you have a different way of living.

I can't even understand what this paragraph addresses , but I find it essential to keep politics out of this (other than Free Software/Digital Rights politics) and to just focus on the tech.   I see no reason to drag the meandering rantings of a random non-moderated forum HERE... which just unnecessarily inflames people.

There was nothing inflammatory about that. Van't say that for what I'm about to say next. So let's dissect it in simpler terms...
### started going about how he thinks DEI (in theory and on paper) works and how (I would assume) he applies his common sense to that angle, and if you can't comprehend such a simple correlation to my entire paragraph (Which is - progressive farleft folk are aggressive about their bubbles... which is stuff like DEI... which they take as ideology and apply as their "identity"...), then I'm sorry, but you're just dishonest about the entire topic of Xlibre as a whole... Which came out of Enrico's political discrimination.

Remember that you trying to "keep politics out" won't work at all - Simply because of how these lunatics work:
https://xcancel.com/LundukeJournal/status/1939678439079858663
https://xcancel.com/LundukeJournal/status/1938407758434603302

I feel like you're just trying to avoid having honest discussion about the social and cultural impact of DEI, because especially when it directly negatively impacts how our communities interact and collaborate here as yet again a project such as Xlibre is directly involved. Being as ignorant as you are here to these conversations doesn’t make the underlying tensions disappear, it just festers, but outside of this forum, probably somewhere in bluesky, imagine neon furhair catlxdy with flags in bio as Xir makes another post about how Elon Musk and Donald Trump should be killed off.. And here on this forum we all could have a proper polite conversation about this instead of this socialmedia-esque effing and blinding which you just passively aggressively started.. And also I'm sorry, but dismissing my differing perspectives as “meandering rantings” paints you as absolutely pathetic in my eyes. This is my last post in this thread, as this is your topic - your playground.

Re: Artix and libreX is famous

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Locking this thread due to mess.
 

Re: Artix and libreX is famous

Reply #25 –
Quote from: Shoun2137 – on

I feel like you're just trying to avoid having honest discussion about the social and cultural impact of DEI

This is a taboo topic more or less, since this so called "DEI" is nothing new, Mao in China did it, the Soviets did it, there is a pattern here that must not be discovered. To make the hypocrisy complete, those who preach this DEI are the most racist, intolerant, tyrannic and supremacist people you can find. The "DEI" has its origin in so called Weimar Germany, the period between 1919-1933, and it is safe to call what it going on in US Weimerica, just hyperinflation has not hit yet.