Hi, i heard that Manjaro migrate to Artix where are the spanish guys from the spanish forum at Manjaro?
I don't know if any spanish speaking people came over from Manjaro or not. I do speak spanish though just in case.
Hi cromer, I'm asking for spanish peoples thinking in the spanish forum at Manjaro and why there is no one of those guys here, we need here a forum in spanish too -- are you the only one here?.Well maybe they migrate to another place ... just asking ... Thanks!
by the way, i cleaned the system with bleachbit, as in debian, without to mark 'translations' and something is happening now, the LANG=C is not working anymore (?). I'm ...
# pacman -Syyu LANG=C
:: Sincronizando las bases de datos de los paquetes...
system 166.7 KiB 362K/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
world 427.4 KiB 427K/s 00:01 [######################] 100%
galaxy 65.6 KiB 364K/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
extra 1660.1 KiB 700K/s 00:02 [######################] 100%
community 4.2 MiB 737K/s 00:06 [######################] 100%
error: no se ha encontrado el objetivo: LANG=C
[kaos keos]# pacman -Syyu LANG=C
:: Sincronizando las bases de datos de los paquetes...
system 166.7 KiB 362K/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
world 427.4 KiB 792K/s 00:01 [######################] 100%
galaxy 65.6 KiB 1639K/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
extra 1660.1 KiB 589K/s 00:03 [######################] 100%
community 4.2 MiB 865K/s 00:05 [######################] 100%
error: no se ha encontrado el objetivo: LANG=C
[kaos keos]#
I think its a disadvantage as their are less people to help with problems and very biased in the way it groups people into categories users of other languages are then left out English should be the only language on a international forum not split into sub forums And for every bodies info I live in Peru so not biased.
you think there will be less people to help with problems at the english forum, i don’t think so, since i saw many of these spanish peoples in manjaro going from one forum to the other trying to help, but IF in Artix ‘you’, or someone else, decide to remain keeping this forum in 'lingua franca', many peoples -- probably i will be included -- will dicide no to install Artix due to this limitation. I’m not agree with you.
Although I do partially agree, sometimes it is easier to explain a problem in your native language rather than a foreign language. There is already a German section here, so I don't see why a spanish section would be a problem as well.
1st nothing is up to me its up-to Artix. we are just users nothing more we can't make demands its not our distro.
Remember the devs all speak English and come from different countries,
so in my opinion over many years its best to speak in one language then their are no translation problems.
God their are enough translation problems between English UK, and English US. My friend praised me using a US
phrase and then it was pointed out the phrase meant basically "ignorant bar####d in UK English.
When I started this blog listed below in my signature, some of the first comments I received were obviously from spanish speaking users who were also on Parabola. I am no native English speaker either, but I wouldn't know how to communicate about linux in my own language without using mostly English terminology. The point made previously as making sense to use the most common denominator as a way to communicate rather than fragmenting into lingual subgroups talking about the same things makes perfect sense to me.
Imagine if a developer spoke 4 languages and knew the answer to a question appearing in 4 different subforums and had to respond 4 times. Sometimes only developers can answer a question as they know first hand why there is a problem to begin with. It is like medicine and medical students who are non-Greek-native speakers having to work 3 times as hard to memorize the terminology. But then there are mushrooms that get latin names when they were documented in chinese medical books a millennium before Rome was built.
C'est la vie or that's how the cookie crumbles
I don't see any problems in having a forum for spanish. The arguement for not having one based on the lack of terminology doesn't make any sense. People that speak other languages can still grasp the bulk of the terminology without needing a firm understanding of how the English language work; furthermore, I agree with what cromer said, it's often easier for people to trouble-shoot in their native tongue. As for the second arguement, about the extra workload a spanish forum might bring, developers aren't always obligated to respond to a topic on the spanish (or any other language) forum. If there is a sizable spanish speaking user base, then that user base can help each other out with or without the developers. We should give them a forum for them to help each other rather than enforcing an English only policy.
I don't think anyone has argued against a spanish board or any other of the 250 spoken tongues. And since there already is a second language board already how can you claim there is English enforcement? If you were to start a topic in Spanish in off-topic and that would show a large interest I bet the forum admins would notice and create space for you. In any language communication takes place, discussion should be enriched, not ended with strong unsubstantiated statements.
Lighten-up
If
$ killall english
would work, the Irish would have put this command in the first line of the init system.
Agreed, non native language sometimes feels limited.
I propose we make a little poll to get some general info on current user language distribution.
Lets say, top 3 languages get their own sub forum, I would guess spanish will be among the top three.
So in the poll which version of Spanish would it be Spanish, Spanish Latin American, Spanish catatonia, I do believe its the same for Portuguese and Portuguese Latin American,
RIght now we have a nice mix of Spanish dialects just among the key members of artix.
Your Spanish is Latin American.
Mine is Spanish as a second language, I have lived in Chile for 7 years, so I speak "Latin American/Chilean/Broken Gringo" Spanish.
Our other dev, damnwidget speaks Spanish from Spain.
But in my opinion it is not that important which Spanish. Even in English we have English US, English GB, English AU, etc. However we treat all the different variations of English the same, we don't have forums here for a specific English, nor do we tell somebody to please speak in a certain English dialect.
We could advance the selection a bit, say Frisian, Bavarian, Switzerdütsch, Silesian and couple of others, we gonna get a long option list. :D
I want a pig latin forum. :P
That is true but can lead to misunderstandings,
So you lived in Chile for a while long term enemy of Peru border wise so they tell me, been very quiet on that front of late lets hope it stays that way. Chile is the other end of Peru I live in the Andes mountains not to far from Ecuador my wife teaches British English in the local schools here. She is Peruvian and learned English in the UK when she met me.
I live south of the capital in the VIII region in Concepción. I have always heard that Peru and Chile on the border are enemies. But I must say, Peruvian Pisco Sour is better. ;) I do love Peruvian food as well. Me and my wife(Chilean) hope to visit Peru on vacation sometime in the future. I taught english here in Chile for a couple of years which is how I met my wife.
Peruvian Pisco Sour most definitely is the best and Peruvian food what can I say the same dish is a different taste in every village. The people are the most friendly people in our village Leymebamba that I have ever met,
But back to language don't get me wrong nothing against others its just a personal opinion. In fact when I went to school over 60 years ago the 2nd Language in the UK was French and Latin the later was compulsory could never get my head around Latin mind you.
I had a good laugh when I read that. Fyi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catatonia
Probably you meant, Spanish from catalonia, but their Spanish is same Spanish that we speak in the rest of the country, said that, they also have their own language called Catalonian and is nothing like Spanish.
Are they not part of Spain wanting to leave.
I want a Morse code forum. lol
Though seriously, some Chinese and/or a miscellaneous language forum(why isn't this a thing?) would be awesome. (Chinese, Japanese, German, French, English, and sometimes Russian tend to have the most tinkers in my, albiet limited, experience.)
Nearly all English is understandable to English speakers except for the Brittish. I don't know what they speak in London, but it is not English. In Amsterdam, there they speak decent English. I can talk with Assies, Jamacians, Bangalis, Indians, Dutch, Canadians, the Irish .... everyone but the English.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcnFbCCgTo4&ytbChannel=savonna%20lessley
Well that was Scotish accent, and Irish accent is not much better
https://youtu.be/Omtfe7lb-gE?t=26
You can understand south London accent (typical British accent) when you realize they don't pronounce 90% of the words endings and they use the schwa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwa) phonetics for practically every single word.
Don't worry i'm British and have difficulty understanding some English dialogues as they use their own regional words Birmingham ,Liverpool, Newcastle, Cornwall, London, Scotland are all very different dialogues I have difficulty with after 60 year i gave up and moved to Peru. As they say in Devon "I sa no bout then" meaning I have nothing more to say.
If enough (i.e. >5 people) request a native language subforum, we'll be more than glad to create it.
What kind of a monitor do you have? :p
So then should we have a poll?
Why not? (https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,305.0.html)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qz9a72ljyM&ytbChannel=Apple%20Scruff
I have aa sticky monitor? And you? Are we having a poll about monitors?
A sticky monitor with variable, programable stickiness? That'd be cool.
Chill ya'll
All this joking of a serious subject may be misperceived as anti-latino prejudice
Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition
oh ... shit, now I'll be banned
No this is not Manjaro a lot more open-minded here and no dictators to ban you if you say you will knock on their door hypothetically? :)
If you are trying to make the output in english then this would be the best way to do it:
LC_ALL=C pacman -Syyu
FWIW, the Spanish Inquestition didn't target Spaniards.
Not specifically, just the "enemies" of the catholic clergy.
But do check out the monty-python "spanish inquisition" sketch on Utub
Don't know what Monty Pythons is. I use Perl, mostly.
"The life of mrBrklyn"
That is very close to mrBryan
Check out the spanish inquisition and monty python on the Tube