Artix Linux => Announcements => Topic started by: Chris Cromer on 08 March 2018, 05:08:58
Title: Social media
Post by: Chris Cromer on 08 March 2018, 05:08:58
We now have a few official social media outlets for artix linux.
Twitter @ArtixLinux (https://twitter.com/artixlinux) Facebook @artixljnux (https://facebook.com/artixlinux) Greek Facebook @artixlinuxgr (https://www.facebook.com/groups/artixlinuxgr) Telegram group (https://t.me/artixlinux) Greek Telegram group (https://t.me/ArtixLinuxGreece)
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: Dudemanguy on 08 March 2018, 15:20:48
Cool, I use twitter for some other things. No harm in following you guys.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: mandog on 08 March 2018, 16:52:25
Google+ Artix Linux yes
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: kbk on 15 February 2019, 07:23:03
G+ is going off , no harm to use twitter with some precautions, but telegram is requiring a phone number to register (No i will never provide it), FB in socila networks is much like systemd for linux. why not mastodon, diaspora, friendica or gnusocial ... in addition the IRC. I think people using Artix are very concerned with freedom of softwares and privacy, ... people there needs to see you, so lets see you on the right side.
Artix is not for everyone it is for people who know what they need and what they do.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: Everyone on 15 February 2019, 09:39:02
An XMPP channel maybe?
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: cynicfm on 15 February 2019, 10:46:01
Yeah i have got account on twitter as well... However i avoid everything that has google or facebook in it ;). I also don't know what's telegram. I have got account on diaspora however i don't really go on there cuz i always forget i don't think i remember my credentials.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: linuxer on 07 June 2020, 22:24:19
Add to the list:
English FB Group at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/artixlinux (https://www.facebook.com/groups/artixlinux)
Greek FB Group at : https://www.facebook.com/groups/artixlinuxgr (https://www.facebook.com/groups/artixlinuxgr)
Greek TG Group at : https://t.me/ArtixLinuxGreece (https://t.me/ArtixLinuxGreece)
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: Rain-Dodger on 12 June 2020, 06:09:39
G+ is going off , no harm to use twitter with some precautions, but telegram is requiring a phone number to register (No i will never provide it), FB in socila networks is much like systemd for linux. why not mastodon, diaspora, friendica or gnusocial ... in addition the IRC. I think people using Artix are very concerned with freedom of softwares and privacy, ... people there needs to see you, so lets see you on the right side.
Artix is not for everyone it is for people who know what they need and what they do.
Well said. The unfortunate thing though is that Facebook and Twitter are by far the most widely used social networks on the planet - by a very large margin indeed. Basically, in order for Artix (or any enetity, not just the devs for a linux distro) to expand their userbase and become more well known, they unfortunately need to play ball with the duopoly that Facebook and Twitter have on social networking - because the majority of people just aren't going to stop using either of them, even though it is undeniably blatant just how much data they siphon from their users in order to make a quick buck.
It's a bit of a double-edged sword really. Submit to the dominant stronghold that Facebook and Twitter have over the majority of network traffic on the internet in order to expand your userbase, or go against that and probably not expand your userbase by much at all...it's sad, really.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: Surf3r on 05 July 2021, 10:18:59
Would be cool an Artix mastodon instance 8)
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: jrballesteros05 on 07 July 2021, 09:26:03
I would like to follow Artix in Mastodon. I kept Facebook because I use it as an agenda but I rarely connects there and I deleted my Twitter.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: ####### on 07 July 2021, 16:53:09
https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,1308.msg9139.html#msg9139 (https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,1308.msg9139.html#msg9139) grondinm has a Mastodon instance here: https://social.linux.pizza/public (https://social.linux.pizza/public) Although it is a while since he last posted on the forum, he provides one of the currently active Artix mirrors. While Linux related, I didn't see any Artix specific stuff on that page of public posts.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: niksonuser on 12 September 2021, 14:13:37
We now have a few official social media outlets for artix linux.
Twitter @ArtixLinux (https://twitter.com/artixlinux) Facebook @artixljnux (https://facebook.com/artixlinux) Greek Facebook @artixlinuxgr (https://www.facebook.com/groups/artixlinuxgr) Telegram group (https://t.me/artixlinux) Green Telegram group (https://t.me/ArtixLinuxGreece)
nice i love tweeter
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: nous on 15 September 2021, 22:42:39
Twitter and FB outlets are unmaintained and undesirable due to heavy tracking and censorship. The most active by far is our Telegram group.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: strajder on 16 September 2021, 09:27:57
Telegram is anti-privacy as well (https://youtu.be/qBTsUVrCDAQ). For instance, it requires phone number for registration, and all communication goes through their servers.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: francesco on 16 September 2021, 10:09:30
Jami?
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: artoo on 16 September 2021, 18:34:10
Telegram is anti-privacy as well (https://youtu.be/qBTsUVrCDAQ). For instance, it requires phone number for registration, and all communication goes through their servers.
I would agree, it provides geolocation via the "mobile phone", accurately within few meters. Hence, I myself don't do any "social media" which is in reality asocial, a cesspool destroying society.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: nous on 16 September 2021, 23:37:06
Not saying you're wrong, but compared to big tech social media spyware, TG offers an open source client which doesn't record your voice, turn on your front camera, analyze all your phone sensors, scan your files and shove ads in your face. Plus, you can register using a burner phone (even a public payphone will do) and use its own FOSS client - or others - from your linux system. For the time being it's an almost acceptable solution for non-sensitive, casual group communication, allowing for very large (200K) groups - end-to-end encryption can be used but only in secret chats and voice/video calls. For more serious stuff, Wire (also open-source client) is the way to go. For critical stuff, Tox is flirting with the top.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: artoo on 17 September 2021, 12:46:08
Not saying you're wrong, but compared to big tech social media spyware, TG offers an open source client which doesn't record your voice, turn on your front camera, analyze all your phone sensors, scan your files and shove ads in your face. Plus, you can register using a burner phone (even a public payphone will do) and use its own FOSS client - or others - from your linux system. For the time being it's an almost acceptable solution for non-sensitive, casual group communication, allowing for very large (200K) groups - end-to-end encryption can be used but only in secret chats and voice/video calls. For more serious stuff, Wire (also open-source client) is the way to go. For critical stuff, Tox is flirting with the top.
Just a general trend nous, has "social media", you know the culprits, really improved society? Its a tool of division and spying, destroying and disconnecting human beings from nature. As we can see clear all around us, many people are totally disconnected and out of touch with nature.
Its pretty cool to be able to communicate with people all over earth, but I don't need "social media" for that.
The real issue is censorship and tyranny creeping in, and surely TG or gab is basically just an attempt to keep communication open. But, a general trend is very rudimentary and primitive language, much stuff there without any substance, regardless the network.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: VictorBrand on 17 September 2021, 18:22:57
Not saying you're wrong, but compared to big tech social media spyware, TG offers an open source client which doesn't record your voice, turn on your front camera, analyze all your phone sensors, scan your files and shove ads in your face. Plus, you can register using a burner phone (even a public payphone will do) and use its own FOSS client - or others - from your linux system. For the time being it's an almost acceptable solution for non-sensitive, casual group communication, allowing for very large (200K) groups - end-to-end encryption can be used but only in secret chats and voice/video calls. For more serious stuff, Wire (also open-source client) is the way to go. For critical stuff, Tox is flirting with the top.
That's true regarding TG client, but not the server. The server is closed source, and it supposedly stores all of your messages and encryption keys, thus your conversations via TG are not secure and can be accessed by a third party.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: nous on 17 September 2021, 23:31:21
Hey artoo, «δυοῖν κακοῖν, τὸ μὴ χεῖρον βέλτιστον» (== between two evils, the lesser one is best). For reaching large groups of people without bigtech's boot on your neck, telegram is the lesser of two evils.
That's true regarding TG client, but not the server. The server is closed source, and it supposedly stores all of your messages and encryption keys, thus your conversations via TG are not secure and can be accessed by a third party.
Your information is wrong. The secret chats are end-to-end encrypted and only you and the recipient have the decryption keys (this is the definition of end-to-end). The client being open source, we are guaranteed that the keys aren't "accidentally" leaked to someone else. There are many IM clients out there boasting end-to-end encryption but are closed source - which means they're not to be trusted. At all.
Big flashing warning: don't ever use the TG client from google playstore, it contains code that allows Google to block channels and messages. Perhaps more. That being said, don't use Gboard or any closed source keyboard for that matter, as EVERYTHING you type is collected and uploaded.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: VictorBrand on 18 September 2021, 00:18:36
Hey artoo, «δυοῖν κακοῖν, τὸ μὴ χεῖρον βέλτιστον» (== between two evils, the lesser one is best). For reaching large groups of people without bigtech's boot on your neck, telegram is the lesser of two evils. Your information is wrong. The secret chats are end-to-end encrypted and only you and the recipient have the decryption keys (this is the definition of end-to-end). The client being open source, we are guaranteed that the keys aren't "accidentally" leaked to someone else. There are many IM clients out there boasting end-to-end encryption but are closed source - which means they're not to be trusted. At all.
Big flashing warning: don't ever use the TG client from google playstore, it contains code that allows Google to block channels and messages. Perhaps more. That being said, don't use Gboard or any closed source keyboard for that matter, as EVERYTHING you type is collected and uploaded.
End-to-end encryption is not a panacea. First of all, default chats in TG are cloud chats which do not use this type of encryption. You need to organize particular secret chats in order to use end-to-end encryption, and this function is available only in mobile versions of the client, not in the desktop version. Second, message exchange goes through TG servers in any case.
Moreover, end-to-end encryption in TG has a major flaw. The thing is, random seeds needed to generate encryption keys are not generated on user devices, these are requested from the server instead. Since the server code is closed, we do not know how strong is random generation algorythm used in TG and whether those random seeds are logged somewhere or not.
Also, your TG account is always bound to your phone number, which is not good privacy-wise.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: nous on 18 September 2021, 09:49:06
For the time being it's an almost acceptable solution for non-sensitive, casual group communication, allowing for very large (200K) groups - end-to-end encryption can be used but only in secret chats and voice/video calls. For more serious stuff, Wire (also open-source client) is the way to go. For critical stuff, Tox is flirting with the top.
Stop beating the bush.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: Arch_user on 29 October 2021, 15:55:04
Can you make matrix bridge with telegram group?
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: nous on 29 October 2021, 20:41:00
You need to organize particular secret chats in order to use end-to-end encryption, and this function is available only in mobile versions of the client, not in the desktop version. Second, message exchange goes through TG servers in any case.
Moreover, end-to-end encryption in TG has a major flaw. The thing is, random seeds needed to generate encryption keys are not generated on user devices, these are requested from the server instead. Since the server code is closed, we do not know how strong is random generation algorythm used in TG and whether those random seeds are logged somewhere or not.
All this makes TG claims about opensource and unbreakable end-to-end encryption just a snake oil salesmen trick. Why don't use end-to-end encryption by default and hide this option in menu? Because in reality vast majority of users conversations are not end-to-end encrypted and available on the server. If someone points to this developer can always say: well it is because users are holding your phone wrong way.
Some alternatives: movim – xmpp protocol for messenger with social media layer session – signal-like protocol, hides metadata through tor-like network
Basically, in order for Artix (or any enetity, not just the devs for a linux distro) to expand their userbase and become more well known, they unfortunately need to play ball with the duopoly that Facebook and Twitter have on social networking - because the majority of people just aren't going to stop using either of them
There are already distros addressing today’s majority. Facebook and twitter deleted from the list and firefox not as default browser and available only in later repos looked very encouraging for me because of consistent approach of the team.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: jahway603 on 24 November 2023, 16:47:25
Is there an Artix Mastodon yet?
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: mrbrklyn on 22 January 2024, 14:58:32
Twitter and FB outlets are unmaintained and undesirable due to heavy tracking and censorship. The most active by far is our Telegram group.
waht is a telegram group?
A Telegram group is a centralized group chat that requires you give them your phone number to participate in it, which is anti-privacy. You can read more about Telegram here, https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/telegram
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: corysanin on 03 July 2024, 23:14:36
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: TheExplorer on 06 July 2024, 16:05:16
Telegram Group has always been shitty af, guys. Sorry to say that. Or... do something with it please. Because it's mostly a mob of toxic school kids with insults and racist stuff almost every time.
Here it is when I tried to take a peek at it for the umpteenth time: https://ibb.co/CtMQqM3
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: kiblaster on 06 July 2024, 20:37:05
Telegram has a centralized closed source server and relies on phone number. That's why I do not like it. Better than whatsapp however.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: ####### on 06 July 2024, 22:07:46
Artix is an OS available to everyone, all ages, nationalities, beliefs, they are never going to see eye to eye on everything except Artix itself. If the users you dislike are hanging out on the social media you dislike, then great, fantastic, seems like a brilliant solution, leave them there or they might come here instead. ;D (So long as they are genuine users though, and not some attempt to discredit Artix by rivals or other ill intentioned people.)
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: TheExplorer on 08 July 2024, 09:41:19
Telegram is anti-privacy as well (https://youtu.be/qBTsUVrCDAQ). For instance, it requires phone number for registration, and all communication goes through their servers.
I would agree, it provides geolocation via the "mobile phone", accurately within few meters. Hence, I myself don't do any "social media" which is in reality asocial, a cesspool destroying society.
And that is a medical fact.
I have no mobile phone. I would have something if It did what I wanted and didn't spy on me and came with an off button.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: Eram on 31 January 2025, 00:56:48
It would be really nice if we could get official Matrix support. I can't connect on IRC (Libera has some strict rules/requirements that prevent me from joining).
There's an unofficial artix community on matrix, but yeah would be nice if we could get something set up officially.
#artix-linux-unofficial:matrix.org
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: n00b on 31 January 2025, 01:26:32
I would agree, it provides geolocation via the "mobile phone", accurately within few meters. Hence, I myself don't do any "social media" which is in reality asocial, a cesspool destroying society.
And that is a medical fact.
I have no mobile phone. I would have something if It did what I wanted and didn't spy on me and came with an off button.
graphene on a pixel does that
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: n00b on 31 January 2025, 01:29:54
Facebook? Really?! You guys don't read the news? https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/facebook-flags-linux-topics-as-cybersecurity-threats-posts-and-users-being-blocked
TG offers an open source client which doesn't record your voice, turn on your front camera, analyze all your phone sensors, scan your files and shove ads in your face.
TG is indeed better than proprietary crapwares like WhatsApp. However, like other spyware infested social media platforms, they recently started shoving ads in the face of users that don't have a Premium account. As much as I am aware, these new ads in TG are server side and can't be disabled in the client.
Facebook? Really?! You guys don't read the news? https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/facebook-flags-linux-topics-as-cybersecurity-threats-posts-and-users-being-blocked
Too bad we can't see 7 years into the future, hey? To my knowledge, nobody is keeping up our Facebook presence.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: n00b on 31 January 2025, 19:06:47
TG offers an open source client which doesn't record your voice, turn on your front camera, analyze all your phone sensors, scan your files and shove ads in your face.
TG is indeed better than proprietary crapwares like WhatsApp. However, like other spyware infested social media platforms, they recently started shoving ads in the face of users that don't have a Premium account. As much as I am aware, these new ads in TG are server side and can't be disabled in the client.
Matrix beats Signal, but is far more weird. I am not sure that TG or WA should be used at all.
I would agree, it provides geolocation via the "mobile phone", accurately within few meters. Hence, I myself don't do any "social media" which is in reality asocial, a cesspool destroying society.
And that is a medical fact. I have no mobile phone. I would have something if It did what I wanted and didn't spy on me and came with an off button.
GrapheneOS only runs on Pixel phones which are Google hardware. A de-googled LineageOS phone is better.
Graphene works on a locked bootloader and Lineage does not, right? So objectively not true, right? I mean we can delve into further details if you like, but that's a killer for me.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: gripped on 31 January 2025, 20:03:05
Graphene works on a locked bootloader and Lineage does not, right? So objectively not true, right? I mean we can delve into further details if you like, but that's a killer for me.
No you have to unlock the bootloader to install GrapheneOS. The bizarre situation is that Google's Pixel phones are one of the best options if you want a degoogled phone.
The deal-breaker for me, when I finally replaced my Samsung S5 running Lineage/MicroG last year, was the lack of a removable battery on the Pixel. The S5 was the last of the Samsung flagships with a removable battery. (I'd have stuck with it but it didn't do 4G calling and all the UK networks have either switched off 3G, or are doing so this year).
In the end I went with a Fairphone 3. Removable battery and a 3.5 headphone jack, which I wanted if possible. Runs /e/OS. It also has MicroG. It's a bit of a brick but I'm fairly happy with my choice.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: n00b on 01 February 2025, 17:37:00
Graphene works on a locked bootloader and Lineage does not, right? So objectively not true, right? I mean we can delve into further details if you like, but that's a killer for me.
No you have to unlock the bootloader to install GrapheneOS.
Yes, but you then relock it, yes? Like, you have to, to boot the phone. it is core to it's security model
In the end I went with a Fairphone 3. Removable battery and a 3.5 headphone jack, which I wanted if possible. Runs /e/OS. It also has MicroG. It's a bit of a brick but I'm fairly happy with my choice.
yes. but you do not get to have a not fairphone os, and lock the bootloader, right?
To me open hardened os, and locked boot is step one. But I am interested in other arguments.
Is it not the equivalent of having dev signed UEFI boot?
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: gripped on 01 February 2025, 20:06:48
yes. but you do not get to have a not fairphone os, and lock the bootloader, right?
You can lock and unlock the bootloader at will with the Fairphone's. The phone does factory reset when you do though. Which is a good thing. So my bootloader is locked. This is an advantage over the S5 I had, and most other phones with custom roms, as some financial apps don't work with an unlocked bootloader. I'm fairly sure this is the same with a Pixel. As in you can relock the bootloader after installing Graphene etc.
I refuse to buy any phone without an easily swappable battery. Planned obsolescence at its finest.
Edit: Sorry I skimmed the first part. Yes then you relock it. On the the Pixel or the Fairphone the same process.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: n00b on 01 February 2025, 21:42:31
My point is that only pixel allows self signed lockable roms.
If any other phone offered it, Graphene would, probably, support it.
A device has zero security without a locked bootloader.
I agree about a swappable battery. However I will add this note. I have a pixel one year out of warranty. battery swelled. Google replaced the phone for free.
Also, it is really not that hard to change the pixel battery.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: gripped on 01 February 2025, 22:40:52
My point is that only pixel allows self signed lockable roms.
Not exactly sure what that even means but I'll go out on a limb and say you are wrong.
Interesting response. You could have asked me to support my assertion, which I could, but saying I'm wrong suggests you do not wish to continue this discussion. For the reader, https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices "Support for using alternate operating systems including full hardware security functionality"
AFAIK there exists no other device with this capacity.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: gripped on 02 February 2025, 16:12:59
My point is that only pixel allows self signed lockable roms.
Yet you hadn't mentioned self signed once previously so I fail to see how I deduce that was your point all along?
What was being discussed was the ability to re-lock the bootloader. You repeatedly stated the incorrect assertion that this was not possible on the Fairphone when it is. So at that point it wasn't a huge leap to assume you were wrong again. Apparently you may not be? The Pixel's after version 2 include the 'Titan M or Titan M2' security chip. The Fairphone does not have this chip or similar.
So if security is the utmost desire and you don't mind having to dissemble the entire phone to replace the battery, and your happy giving Google your money, then the Pixel with Graphene probably is the better choice.
If you want a modular phone, with a choice of privacy respecting roms to install, with apparently slightly reduced security but also the distinct probability that fewer six year olds have been crushing rocks in a giant hole in the ground in The Congo to supply the minerals needed for its manufacture then the Fairphone's seem a reasonable choice (Taking the manufactures and communities word for it here. I haven't been to the DRC myself to verify the claims)
You pays your money you makes your choice.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: n00b on 02 February 2025, 23:15:19
yes. but you do not get to have a not fairphone os, and lock the bootloader, right?
In my view I repeatedly asserted Graphene (a custom ROM) can have a locked bootloader, which no other phone OS can, and repeatedly called attention to the difference.
Quote from: gripped
So at that point it wasn't a huge leap to assume you were wrong again. Apparently you may not be? The Pixel's after version 2 include the 'Titan M or Titan M2' security chip. The Fairphone does not have this chip or similar.
I literally never said what you think i said, and clarified the point repeatedly.
But I thank you for acknowledging I was right all along.
Title: Re: Social media
Post by: gripped on 03 February 2025, 00:05:58
Facebook? Really?! You guys don't read the news? https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/facebook-flags-linux-topics-as-cybersecurity-threats-posts-and-users-being-blocked