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Title: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: artoo on 26 February 2025, 12:27:59
No comment necessary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bPJzLXdEcA
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: lq on 26 February 2025, 15:34:50

Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: n00b on 26 February 2025, 18:01:38
I am confused by the video.

They quote Hacker news (without saying so) quoting GrapheneOS (Without sourcing), instead of quoting GrapheneOS directly.

Then they seem to bash GrapheneOS over the quote. The quote is out of context and misleading.

These points seem way more heat than light.

They raised 1M$ to sell a phone that is worse than a pixel for security.

How is there value in this video?
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: kiblaster on 26 February 2025, 21:42:35
To fully free your phone you can Linux.
As of today is not perfect thought https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices.

I do not like GrapheneOS because it makes you use google hardware.
I have no idea if there are backdoors as somebody like to state.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: n00b on 27 February 2025, 16:03:32
To fully free your phone you can Linux.
As of today is not perfect thought https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices.

I do not like GrapheneOS because it makes you use google hardware.
I have no idea if there are backdoors as somebody like to state.
That's not really fair. GrapheneOS will work on any phone that allows third party rom signing. Pixel is the only phone to do that, right?

postmarketos not fully free, right? still have blobs that do whatever they want, right?

Freephone is probably the most open, but does not have rom signing for third parties, which pixel has.
Goggle's pixel is an open source as you can get, and safer, even more with graphene.

I guess the pixel platform is looked at pretty hard, and if there were backdoors, they would probably be known, at least in older generations.

Pixel 8 and above with Graphene, from a hardware pov, AFAIK beat pegaus. Not sure anyone comes close.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: artoo on 27 February 2025, 17:49:02


Pretty amazing how you manage to completely miss the point made in the video.
Point here, encryption is useless with any AI embedded OS, since it takes screenshots while you encrypt something.
Big brother watches you and reports back to HQ while you think you'd encrypt something, do online banking, write naughty love letters whatever.
Do you get it?
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: nous on 27 February 2025, 19:07:28
Yup, it was reported in this thread (https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,7782.0.html) and I actually confirmed safetycore had been silently installed in every single Android phone of friends or colleagues I got my hands on. There are so many things I'd like to say, but I won't "because reasons".
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: artoo on 27 February 2025, 19:12:54
There are so many things I'd like to say, but I won't "because reasons".


You gotta love our free and open societies that there even is a "because of reasons".
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: mrbrklyn on 31 March 2025, 04:50:25

That's not really fair.


Pretty amazing how you manage to completely miss the point made in the video.
Point here, encryption is useless with any AI embedded OS, since it takes screenshots while you encrypt something.
Big brother watches you and reports back to HQ while you think you'd encrypt something, do online banking, write naughty love letters whatever.
Do you get it?


You just can't trust those devices... and think how integrated they have become to so many basic part of communal life.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: n00b on 07 April 2025, 17:32:58
But, again, not a single GrapheneOS phone had safetycore installed.

That's not really fair.
Pretty amazing how you manage to completely miss the point made in the video.
Point here, encryption is useless with any AI embedded OS, since it takes screenshots while you encrypt something.
Big brother watches you and reports back to HQ while you think you'd encrypt something, do online banking, write naughty love letters whatever.
Do you get it?
I get that encryption can be bypassed as a security feature if the device is compromised.
This is the essence of Whisky Leaks/Signal-Gate, right?

I do not get how this influencer is trading on grapheneOS's good name to spread FUD, is so supported by you.

A grapheneOS device is not subject to the hack in question.


Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: artoo on 07 April 2025, 17:40:21

I do not get how this influencer is trading on grapheneOS's good name to spread FUD, is so supported by you.




You might want to try to actually listen what Braxman really says in the video.
Your graphene OS issue is a side show, and not the topic at all.

Bottom line, these tracking devices are not you friend, the internet is not your friend, since this is all DARPA tech to utterly full spectrum control and surveil you.

Any mobile device connecting to a cell tower lets the providers already know more about you than you know about yourself just from the metadata such tower connects provide to whoever wants to know about the user of the device.

Point being, in line with WEF/UN announcements, the future currency is your data.
Pay with any such device and you leave metadata, noob buys every monday 6.41 PM a snickers bar at the petrol station.
Next payment and tower registration 8.11 PM etc, subject is now at home. Do you get it now?
In a few years, you won't be able to buy your snickers bar everyday, because AI system tells you payment refusal,
since you already had 7 snickers bars this week, no more, not good for you until next month. 8 snickers bars a week are bad for the climate.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: n00b on 08 April 2025, 17:57:36
I do not get how this influencer is trading on grapheneOS's good name to spread FUD, is so supported by you.
Bottom line, these tracking devices are not you friend,
Such surveillance has been around since credit cards, right?
Honestly, people watch you do things, so it has been around since eyeballs, right? 
the internet is not your friend,
Is the internet in the room with us now?
The internet was never about security or privacy, just like walking down the street is not, right?
The internet is no more private than going to a prostitute or buying drugs. Who believes otherwise?
since this is all DARPA tech to utterly full spectrum control and surveil you.
The darpa tech was never about "utterly full spectrum control and surveil", right? it was about redundant communication, which, by definition, is never private.
Visa et. al. have way more info on you a generation before darpa started offering grants to develop the internet.
Any mobile device connecting to a cell tower lets the providers already know more about you than you know about yourself just from the metadata such tower connects provide to whoever wants to know about the user of the device.
But no more data than my neighbor watching me on said phone, or seeing me driving my car right? A fraction of wat banks know about me, right?
Point being, in line with WEF/UN announcements, the future currency is your data.
Um, data is the new oil, but it is not 'currency'. and it is not the 'WEF/UN' saying it... it is literaly anyone that is paying attention. You don't need to go full Q/John Birch/right wing nut job to make the point.
Pay with any such device and you leave metadata, noob buys every monday 6.41 PM a snickers bar at the petrol station.
For a generation before the internet this was true, right?
Next payment and tower registration 8.11 PM etc, subject is now at home. Do you get it now?
Hoover was doing this before your dad was born, right? And he was hardly the first. Yes, if you live in a society people know where you are when you are places. It is called object permanence, right?
In a few years, you won't be able to buy your snickers bar everyday, because AI system tells you payment refusal,
And how is that different than when the CC machine is down, or they don't have snickers?
Life has inconvenient moments.
since you already had 7 snickers bars this week, no more, not good for you until next month. 8 snickers bars a week are bad for the climate.
LOL. when has anything bad for the climate been restricted?
And why would you not be on board with saving your climate? Do you have a spare one?
But even if we accept your crazy, i just pay cash, right? Or get the next girl in line to buy me one?

Like honestly... you are worried about AI blocking snickers bars, not the lawless anti-democratic consolidation of corporate power? or any of a large number of actual real "life and liberty" threatening things?
The following is not a "whataboutism", its a literal issue, contrasting with a literal non issue you seem obsessed with. Hertz rent a car put people in jail because they accused them (falsely) of stealing a car. In the US corporations can literally, legally, put people in jail with no evidence, no habius corpus, go directly to jail.

and you are worried about snickers bars?
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: artoo on 08 April 2025, 18:40:31

and you are worried about snickers bars?


If you think the snickers bar is funny, I can replace it with much more fundamental needs such as water, food, electricity.
It will work the same way as with the snickers bar in your 15 minute or freedom city, pick the flavor and color of your total imprisonment.

I consider this conversation done now.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: artoo on 08 April 2025, 19:07:32

I do not like GrapheneOS because it makes you use google hardware.


Makes you wonder why google have an adreno chip, and a chrome browser.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: n00b on 09 April 2025, 00:01:06
and you are worried about snickers bars?
If you think the snickers bar is funny, I can replace it with much more fundamental needs such as water, food, electricity.
But all of those has always been public information, right?

You seem to be trying to articulate a fear that does not seem anything to be afraid of.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: Shoun2137 on 09 April 2025, 00:07:44
There's a saying: Hiding in plain sight. People are bombarded with all kinds of sensory stimulations, you can't process all the info even if it's true. Personally, I believe that this kind of phenomenon was taken into account and is actively used by the powers that will be and powers that are here to stay.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: n00b on 09 April 2025, 00:11:21
There's a saying: Hiding in plain sight. People are bombarded with all kinds of sensory stimulations, you can't process all the info even if it's true. Personally, I believe that this kind of phenomenon was taken into account and is actively used by the powers that will be and powers that are here to stay.
Again, what is the fear?
Distraction... or over stimulation... leading to what?

Can you even articulate what the actual fear is of?

Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: mrbrklyn on 09 April 2025, 03:50:39
There's a saying: Hiding in plain sight. People are bombarded with all kinds of sensory stimulations, you can't process all the info even if it's true. Personally, I believe that this kind of phenomenon was taken into account and is actively used by the powers that will be and powers that are here to stay.
Again, what is the fear?
Distraction... or over stimulation... leading to what?

Can you even articulate what the actual fear is of?




How about brain washing and mental illness.  If you don't see this, there really is no rational conversation that can continue.  It i s a flat earth position.  This coming generation is in steep trouble and it is very very bleak.  As a whole, they are programmed to  be triggered and reactionary while suffering from severe under education, and a complete failure of learn fundamental social skills.... thank the covid lock downs for that.  The technology is invasive and physically addicting and designed to be so... as a matter of fact.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: mrbrklyn on 09 April 2025, 10:36:03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p97RR28Qk0
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: artoo on 09 April 2025, 15:28:31

Again, what is the fear?
Distraction... or over stimulation... leading to what?

Can you even articulate what the actual fear is of?




How about brain washing and mental illness.  If you don't see this, there really is no rational conversation that can continue.  It i s a flat earth position.  This coming generation is in steep trouble and it is very very bleak.  As a whole, they are programmed to  be triggered and reactionary while suffering from severe under education, and a complete failure of learn fundamental social skills.... thank the covid lock downs for that.  The technology is invasive and physically addicting and designed to be so... as a matter of fact.

They are emotionalized remote controlled robots already totally disconnected from nature.
This will all end in tears.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: artoo on 09 April 2025, 15:38:43

But all of those has always been public information, right?

You seem to be trying to articulate a fear that does not seem anything to be afraid of.


Let me ask your obviously thick clumsy mind a last and final question.
What do you think is "smart" tech about?
Note, smart is a acronym.

What is IoT and IoB?

What does WEF Harari mean, if he tells you, "humans are hackable animals"?
What does a Gates mean, if he presents you with an absurd childish equation of people, services and co2 and tells the audience "we gonna reduce carbon to zero"?
What did a Kissinger mean, stating "we will use food as a weapon"?
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: n00b on 09 April 2025, 16:13:42
There's a saying: Hiding in plain sight. People are bombarded with all kinds of sensory stimulations, you can't process all the info even if it's true. Personally, I believe that this kind of phenomenon was taken into account and is actively used by the powers that will be and powers that are here to stay.
Again, what is the fear?
Distraction... or over stimulation... leading to what?
Can you even articulate what the actual fear is of?
How about brain washing and mental illness.  If you don't see this, there really is no rational conversation that can continue.
So, If I cannot see your fear, then we "no rational conversation that can continue."
You don't have to explain your premise, and I cannot question it?
What logical fallacy is that?
Is this a cult?

So, respectfully, I do question your premise. What about brain washing and mental illness? Are you saying that the cause of brainwashing and mental illness is the stealth installation of an LLM on a phone?

And how does that relate to buying snickers or anything else?
Is that not, literally, the logical fallacy/rhetorical trick of straw manning?
If my argument is poor, debate my argument. That is how this works. But calling my argument something else is just foul play, right?
This coming generation is in steep trouble and it is very very bleak.
Is it? Assumes facts not in evidence. 
As a whole, they are programmed to  be triggered and reactionary while suffering from severe under education, and a complete failure of learn fundamental social skills....
Right, because every generation before them was highly educated and not at all easily lead into moral panics and had all the social skills?
Have you considered questioning your premise? Looking for evidence you might not be right?
thank the covid lock downs for that.
Again assumes facts not in evidence, and the evidence is lock downs worked, and worked well. Many more people died in places they were lifted.
The technology is invasive and physically addicting and designed to be so... as a matter of fact.
And no other technology is invasive and addicting? Humans have never had issues like these before? Cigarettes? Opium? Meth? Oil?
Did you even try to see the weakness in your own assertions?

But I return to the topic. The topic was the stealth installation of a LLM client. Which is not the end of the world, right? It was simply another affront in a long line of them, simply because America cannot tell the rich what to do.
Europe can tell the rich what to do, and it did not happen there, right?
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: n00b on 09 April 2025, 16:31:21
But all of those has always been public information, right?
You seem to be trying to articulate a fear that does not seem anything to be afraid of.
Let me ask your obviously thick clumsy mind a last and final question.
Is this the last, or the last last? My thick clumsy mind misremembers and is often wrong. I need help keeping things straight from a not "thick clumsy mind" like yours.
And just a note, you didn't finish with your last, or your last last, or your last last last point, right? Not that I am counting.
And you didn't answer any of my questions on your prior points. Are we gonna get back to those, or did you concede them and want to make different points you think might do better?
What do you think is "smart" tech about?
Note, smart is a acronym.
I don't remember that in the linked video about a stealth install of a LLM client on a phone. Can you tell me where in the video that was? Or is this "secret cult" info?
Again, was this in the homework?
Or is this part of the cult thing?
What does WEF Harari mean, if he tells you, "humans are hackable animals"?
Why would I listen to what a lying culty influencer says? My question is: why do you?
I am not saying he is wrong. Some humans are easily hacked. It's commonly called cults or marketing, right?
What does a Gates mean, if he presents you with an absurd childish equation of people, services and co2 and tells the audience "we gonna reduce carbon to zero"?
I cannot even parse this sentence. I did pretty well with the others, so I think it is this one specifically. I have a feeling if I was in the cult it would make sense, but it is just a feeling.
What did a Kissinger mean, stating "we will use food as a weapon"?
I am pretty sure this is not in the video. Was there some sort of secret homework? Or is this a cult thing I am unaware of?
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: gripped on 09 April 2025, 16:56:03
One handy thing about ublock origin is the XPath filters you can create.

Totally random examples:
Code: [Select]
forum.artixlinux.org##article.post_wrapper.forumposts:has(a[href="https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2325"])
forum.artixlinux.org##div.quote-read-more:has-text(Quote from: n00b)

And relax.....

Not really off topic as this is 'client side scanning' at its finest.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: artoo on 09 April 2025, 17:06:54

I am pretty sure this is not in the video. Was there some sort of secret homework? Or is this a cult thing I am unaware of?


I am telling you now openly and clearly, if you do not stop your childish trolling, we will part way.

You made you intend why you are on this forum multiple times clear, it is not because of technical issues around artix.

I will not play stupid games and waste time.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: kiblaster on 09 April 2025, 20:25:25

I do not like GrapheneOS because it makes you use google hardware.


Makes you wonder why google have an adreno chip, and a chrome browser.
Because of Adrenochrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenochrome)?
Quote
Adrenochrome is a chemical compound produced by the oxidation of adrenaline (epinephrine). It was the subject of limited research from the 1950s through to the 1970s as a potential cause of schizophrenia.

Isn't Adreno (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adreno) owned by Qualcomm though?
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: n00b on 09 April 2025, 21:10:25
One handy thing about ublock origin is the XPath filters you can create.

Totally random examples:
Code: [Select]
forum.artixlinux.org##article.post_wrapper.forumposts:has(a[href="https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2325"])
forum.artixlinux.org##div.quote-read-more:has-text(Quote from: n00b)

And relax.....

Not really off topic as this is 'client side scanning' at its finest.
would not want to read anything that asks you to question what you know...
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: n00b on 09 April 2025, 21:13:59
I am pretty sure this is not in the video. Was there some sort of secret homework? Or is this a cult thing I am unaware of?
I am telling you now openly and clearly, if you do not stop your childish trolling, we will part way.

You made you intend why you are on this forum multiple times clear, it is not because of technical issues around artix.

I will not play stupid games and waste time.
It's not trolling. It is literally the topic. But I have engaged your points, which you just ignore and change the topic.

You have falsely accused me of many things. I have not replied with personal attacks, but engaged the things you wrote.

You have not engaged, but now make more threats.

Why not just engage the points you wrote about?
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: Shoun2137 on 09 April 2025, 21:43:25
[...]
And how does that relate to buying snickers or anything else?
[...]
I'm sorry my friend, but it seems your deduction skills are non-existant or you're being obtuse on purpose which implies bad faith. It is too late to have this discussion with you.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: n00b on 09 April 2025, 21:56:32
[...]
And how does that relate to buying snickers or anything else?
[...]
I'm sorry my friend, but it seems your deduction skills are non-existant or you're being obtuse on purpose which implies bad faith. It is too late to have this discussion with you.
It would be really easy to show how silly I am by showing what I failed to deduce.
But you didn't.
Why not?
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: artoo on 09 April 2025, 23:23:54


That's correct, used by google.
 
"Qual" in German means torment or agony.

How does it work anyway, some marketing guy wakes up in the morning and thinks, "hey, we gonna call the chip adreno", and another marketing guy wakes up later and thinks "hey, lets call our browser chrome on the adreno chip".
Nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: Shoun2137 on 09 April 2025, 23:32:21
[...] "hey, we gonna call the chip adreno" [...]
I'd argue this was more of a play on the word Radeon, because ATI/AMD was heavily involved in this entire endeavour.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: artoo on 09 April 2025, 23:38:16
Why not just engage the points you wrote about?

Other users already told you.
Listen, you already came close to a ban the moment you spewed political crap and advocated for violence, on a linux forum.
Your audacity is beyond limits obviously, and you head for the big fat overdue ban now.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: artoo on 09 April 2025, 23:39:29
[...] "hey, we gonna call the chip adreno" [...]
I'd argue this was more of a play on the word Radeon, because ATI/AMD was heavily involved in this entire endeavour.

The chip names generally are pretty interesting.
Snapdragon and whatnot.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: mrbrklyn on 10 April 2025, 03:12:45

The technology is invasive and physically addicting and designed to be so... as a matter of fact.
And no other technology is invasive and addicting? Humans have never had issues like these before? Cigarettes? Opium? Meth? Oil?
Did you even try to see the weakness in your own assertions?


You made the mistake to think I am debating these facts.  I am not debating them.  They are well established facts with decades of advanced evidence and even a formalized medical diagnosis.   I am telling you, not debating it.  Your failure to accept these facts do not make them less factual.

You will have to pay me if you want formal education.  And I am not cheap.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: n00b on 10 April 2025, 15:30:23
Why not just engage the points you wrote about?

Other users already told you.
Listen, you already came close to a ban the moment you spewed political crap and advocated for violence, on a linux forum.
Your audacity is beyond limits obviously, and you head for the big fat overdue ban now.
I never advocated for violence. You keep repeating this lie.

You posted that lie on a locked topic I cannot reply to to call out that lie.

I am discussing the topic of the thread, in the off topic forum. If you want to bully me go right ahead.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: n00b on 10 April 2025, 15:34:47


And no other technology is invasive and addicting? Humans have never had issues like these before? Cigarettes? Opium? Meth? Oil?
Did you even try to see the weakness in your own assertions?


You made the mistake to think I am debating these facts.  I am not debating them.  They are well established facts with decades of advanced evidence and even a formalized medical diagnosis.   I am telling you, not debating it.  Your failure to accept these facts do not make them less factual.

You will have to pay me if you want formal education.  And I am not cheap.
You can read, right? Can you point out where I questioned the facts? I do not see where I questioned the facts.
I was questioning the implied conclusions that do not have a strong base of evidence to support them.
I was questioning the moral panic.

You can choose not to engage if you are not comfortable with the questions.
Title: Re: Client Side Scanning - See What You See
Post by: nous on 10 April 2025, 17:20:23
I never advocated for violence. You keep repeating this lie.
I believe what you do is called gaslighting.
https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,7701.msg46216.html#msg46216