General Category => Off-Topic => Topic started by: mrbrklyn on 31 March 2025, 05:02:15
Title: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: mrbrklyn on 31 March 2025, 05:02:15
What do you guys this of this? https://edge.compulab.com/store/tensor-i22-build-to-order/
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CPU: Core i7-1185G7E | 4 Cores, 1.8/2.8GHz, 15W/28W [C1185] + $ 650.89 RAM: 64GB DDR4 SODIMM (2x 32GB) [D64] + $ 207.12 M.2 NVMe Storage: NVMe 2TB | 2TB M.2 Key-M NVMe module [N2T] + $ 187.47 Pre-installed operating system: Not installed Audio: No analog audio (Audio via HDMI/DP display outputs is always available) TPM: Not installed (Intel PTT with full TPM 2.0 capabilities is always available) M.2 WiFi module: Not installed M.2 Key-B Modem: Not installed Extension modules (TELs) - addition of interfaces to the basic configuration: Additional SATA M.2 slot (for M.2 Key-B+M up to 2280, SATA III) [FFS] + $ 33.80 DC input: Standard DC input 12V Temperature range: Commercial: 0°C to +45 Standard choice enclosure : Extended heat dissipation enclosure [EW30-ECR20] + $ 32.01
Title: Re: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: nous on 01 April 2025, 22:19:23
Not bad, but I'd go for a Ryzen over a Core CPU any single day; I see lots of 'fanless industrial mini-PCs' with Ryzen too.
Title: Re: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: Shoun2137 on 01 April 2025, 23:07:27
^Yes, you may never know which batch of the faulty Core lineup exactly you're gonna get. The problem with Ryzen platform tho is that it is kind of hard to get this kind of custom embedded/low power stuff. Also like, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK, why is that CPU over 600$ (DOLLARS)? It's freaking ancient by today's standards.
Title: Re: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: mrbrklyn on 02 April 2025, 03:15:40
do you think it could handly the compiling needed for artix builds?
Title: Re: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: lq on 02 April 2025, 08:00:29
Also like, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK, why is that CPU over 600$ (DOLLARS)? It's freaking ancient by today's standards.
Such systems are not intended for ordinary mouse pushers.
Once set up and properly maintained, such systems run for decades without any problems, so the ‘outdated, overpriced CPU’ is a bargain. This is where the real advantage of opensource comes to the fore.
Such systems are not intended for ordinary mouse pushers.
Once set up and properly maintained, such systems run for decades without any problems, so the ‘outdated, overpriced CPU’ is a bargain. This is where the real advantage of opensource comes to the fore.
True. I don't know that the intended usecase, but I still believe this as 4 core CPU for this kind of price and as I said, considering intel drama with all of those faulty cpus doesn't make this any more trustworthy...
do you think it could handly the compiling needed for artix builds?
Any particular reason you need a thin embedded client of this class? As for the question, if you need to compile anything on such a weak CPU (Multicore wise), then I'd look for something with more juice...
Title: Re: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: mrbrklyn on 03 April 2025, 02:08:23
they are virtually indestructible, are low power and save lots of money and last longer because they don't depend on a fan. It is not unusual for me to leave a server up and running for 15 years.
Title: Re: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: n00b on 03 April 2025, 14:22:29
"save lots of money"
can someone show me the math on that? 600$ is a lot of KW
Title: Re: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: mrbrklyn on 04 April 2025, 04:34:14
. Also standard is Internal TPM 2.0 and a 12V/60W power supply unit (PSU).
what do you mean?
Title: Re: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: n00b on 04 April 2025, 15:15:10
As noted in other threads, used g5's can be set to pull 35w max, are far more powerful, expandable, fixable, and can be expected to perform at least as long, right? at less than 150 for a full system.
But they have a larger footprint i guess?
Title: Re: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: mrbrklyn on 04 April 2025, 17:47:16
Fixable it great. Indestructible is what I prefer. I didn't mean to enter someone elses previous flame war. I was just looking for hardware to install for the Artix compiling that is not a full tower that sucks up 300 watts. I am not getting a mac... I am bias and bigoted against Macs.
Title: Re: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: n00b on 04 April 2025, 18:59:17
I am not getting a mac... I am bias and bigoted against Macs.
I apologize for being unclear. I was referring to the EliteDesk Ryzen mini PC's that take less than 100w. nous had recommended them as building beasts, and they are cheap.
Here is a random example from amazon https://www.amazon.com/s?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=EliteDesk+705+G5
Title: Re: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: mrbrklyn on 04 April 2025, 19:53:18
thanks for the tip
Title: Re: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: mrbrklyn on 04 April 2025, 20:08:02
I am looking to get 64GB of ram and about 8 TB of storage. I really want to buy this once, and never have to worry about it again. I haven't been feeling well and I want it to be idiot proof by the NYLXS people if something happens to me, and for it to be installed and useful for 15 years.
Title: Re: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: n00b on 04 April 2025, 21:32:56
train a replacement.
I feel sad at the news of your not feeling well.
64gb and 8T is kinda a beast.
@cat herders of linux had a few of these machines she got in a lot and needed to sell, but I have not seen them for a bit.
Title: Re: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: nous on 05 April 2025, 00:05:22
The killer feature of the fanless boxes is they'll never have fans clogged by dust and malfunctioning, but I don't think this is worth the exorbitant premium and a CPU used for compiling will suffer more from heat than a fanned one. As for the HP Elitedesk 705 G4 that was mentioned above, while not a bad deal, it heats over 10 °C more than its Lenovo Thinkcentre M715q counterpart and the fan noise is almost insufferable. They both can be found for less than $100, but I would recommend the superior M715q implementation if you can get your hands on. This thing does WWZ in low-medium 1280x1024 at 50 fps in Vulkan and barely whispers.
Title: Re: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: n00b on 05 April 2025, 16:31:21
the g5 with the 3400 seems a deal though, if your are willing to improve cooling, no?
Title: Re: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: nous on 06 April 2025, 19:13:18
the g5 with the 3400 seems a deal though, if your are willing to improve cooling, no?
Mostly correct, 3400 has more MHz,, but what if improving cooling breaks the price deal? From my experience, Thinkcentres and Optiplexes don't need it anyway, don't know how HP botched it in Elitedesks. I had my hands on quite a few of these mini-PCs over the past years, great performers for their size and electricity consumption. It started with Intel i5 ones and a beast 10th-gen i7, but all were sold after getting a taste of the Vega 11's power packed inside R5-2400GE. I mean, at €90-110 used (even cheaper in the US) and 45W TDP / 10W idle they blow away everything under the €350 mark.
Title: Re: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: mrbrklyn on 06 April 2025, 21:09:36
@cat herders of linux had a few of these machines she got in a lot and needed to sell, but I have not seen them for a bit.
Maybe not so much in 5 years. time goes fast. FWIW, admins here are all volunteers... and they last as long as they have interest which goes down precipitously after graduation and after marriage and a few children :)
Title: Re: Neww Hardware Shopping
Post by: mrbrklyn on 06 April 2025, 21:24:57
the g5 with the 3400 seems a deal though, if your are willing to improve cooling, no?
Mostly correct, 3400 has more MHz,, but what if improving cooling breaks the price deal? From my experience, Thinkcentres and Optiplexes don't need it anyway, don't know how HP botched it in Elitedesks. I had my hands on quite a few of these mini-PCs over the past years, great performers for their size and electricity consumption. It started with Intel i5 ones and a beast 10th-gen i7, but all were sold after getting a taste of the Vega 11's power packed inside R5-2400GE. I mean, at €90-110 used (even cheaper in the US) and 45W TDP / 10W idle they blow away everything under the €350 mark.
the g5 with the 3400 seems a deal though, if your are willing to improve cooling, no?
Mostly correct, 3400 has more MHz,, but what if improving cooling breaks the price deal? From my experience, Thinkcentres and Optiplexes don't need it anyway, don't know how HP botched it in Elitedesks. I had my hands on quite a few of these mini-PCs over the past years, great performers for their size and electricity consumption. It started with Intel i5 ones and a beast 10th-gen i7, but all were sold after getting a taste of the Vega 11's power packed inside R5-2400GE. I mean, at €90-110 used (even cheaper in the US) and 45W TDP / 10W idle they blow away everything under the €350 mark.
Hah - that is a lot of Jaagon. Simplify this for me :(