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Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?

Reply #45 –
Quote from: Ogis – on
Quote from: n00b – on
a 20 year olds FS that is obsolete, is gradually removed from the kernel, and your mad?


The point is not that it is old, but that this filesystem was removed from the kernel much earlier than planned.

much? provide proof?

Quote from: ####### – on
He removed some Russian developers for legal reasons, sanctions, he has to obey the laws of his country.
Who?

Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?

Reply #46 –
Quote from: n00b – on

much? provide proof?

I may not have expressed it, I wrote wrong because my English knowledge is not very good. This is not my native language.

The point is that Edward Shishkin responded by email, in reference to ReiserFS' designation as "obsolete" in the latest Linux kernel submissions: "What does [obsolete] mean compared to [ext4], Btrfs, XFS? I disagree with that qualification. Do those file systems (as well as the mentioned 'modern options') provide better disk space utilization? Surely NO!" Shishkin added that after ReiserFS was declared deprecated, "admins stated that for some tasks ReiserFS has no alternative."

"They (upstream maintainers) simply don't have resources to maintain ReiserFS. So that 'obsolete' sounds like 'sour grapes,'" Shishkin wrote, linking Wikipedia's summary of The Fox and the Grapes. Shishkin added that ReiserFS' designation will not affect his work on Reiser5, "as the latter is a completely independent project."]


Linux Foundation didn't like murderfs being in the kernel, it goes against the CoC.

P.S.
Before i migrated to FreeBSD, i used Reiser on all my servers, saved my life once a disk got corrupted and I could restore everything using reiser tools.

P.P.S .
Linus Torvalds just merged the change to the Linux 6.13 kernel that goes ahead and deletes the ReiserFS file-system from the source tree.

Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?

Reply #47 –
And? I don't understand your argument.

There is not a feature of ReiserFS that is not better served by today's tools,  right?

It was said it would removed years ago, if no one stepped up to support it, no one did, and it was.
Everything went on exactly as was explained it would, yes?

Or does your emotional attachment to bygone events mean it should stay unmaintained in the kernel?

Perhaps there is something I do not see here. I expect that. But I see no REASON for your complaint. But I support your right to make it.

Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?

Reply #48 –
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Who?
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Compliance-Requirements
Moving to BSD is unlikely to make much difference in that respect, given that Berkeley is in California.
I don't personally use Reiser FS, but I suppose if that is a key issue then you would go where it is supported. I use BTRFS, just it's basic features as a copy on write file system, and have found it reliable and resistant to crashes, power outages, disk and corruption issues, so I could recommend that.

Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?

Reply #49 –
Quote from: ####### – on
Quote
Who?
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Compliance-Requirements
Literally was not Linus, right?
Quote from: ####### – on
Moving to BSD is unlikely to make much difference in that respect, given that Berkeley is in California.
I don't personally use Reiser FS, but I suppose if that is a key issue then you would go where it is supported. I use BTRFS, just it's basic features as a copy on write file system, and have found it reliable and resistant to crashes, power outages, disk and corruption issues, so I could recommend that.
I tried to install BTRFS artix, but https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,7545.msg45351.html#msg45351
did you have any issue?

Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?

Reply #50 –
Quote from: Shoun2137 – on
I can't work so I NEET and write shit. I merged qt5ct, qt6ct, qt5gtk2 and qt6gtk2 into one thing, but it's really shitty and I'm thinking about cmake stuff.
Demand source.
Quote from: Shoun2137 – on
Also wrote my own thumbnailer. Tumbler is so shitty - get this, even tho you can "provide" your own plugin/script for processing thumbnails those are reencoded yet again inside it! By f#cking gdk-pixbuf! And saved as huge pngs! I don't know what theyve been smoking, but I kinda need that. My python script and ffmpeg does this way better. Also patched Thunar to support more formats for thumbnails. Can't promise on upstreams or code tho
Ditto.

Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?

Reply #51 –
Be patient my friend, it's all part of the plan to publish it if I'm happy with the code.

Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?

Reply #52 –
Quote from: Archie – on
No, I'm not. I'm sorry to pretend(?) but I thought it would be polite to reply (using DeepL) accordingly.
Bonjour,
You have no reason to be sorry, your nice answer translated into French made me very happy.
I myself could not participate in this forum without the use of Google Translate. :)

Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?

Reply #53 –
I moved from Ubuntu. Why?  Mainly due to them shoving things in place such as "Ubuntu Advantage", and making it a dependency in such a way that you can't remove it. There've been other things like this in the past, though I don't recall the specifics. Back when systemd got introduced, I wanted to get away from it, it's just taken me a while. Today, it's more about avoiding Ubuntu than systemd.

I will say that I do really like the debian package management. I'm going to assume the issues I have had (very small) are more to do with how Ubuntu weaves its web of dependencies, than in apt/dpkg itself.

Now if there only a way to get away from Gnome's ludicrous move to a desktop that looks like material design. I really like 3D effects in the GUI, and this whole flattened look is awful, IMHO. Floating/dynamic scrollbars are terrible as well. I could actually edit gtkrc and get results (very minimal now). I know a bit about CSS, but themes now are a horrible mess.

BTW, I started with Linux back in1998 with RH 5.1. Those were the days... you could figure out nearly anything on your system just by reading scripts and rc files.

Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?

Reply #54 –
Quote from: just_jed – on
.../... I started with Linux back in1998 with RH 5.1. Those were the days... you could figure out nearly anything on your system just by reading scripts and rc files.
On Linux since 2003 (Mandrake, Debian etc.), I used Xubuntu for years.
I later opted for a rolling release without systemd: Artix Linux.

But I remained faithful to XFCE which can be easily arranged according to one's tastes.
It is stable and relatively light.

Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?

Reply #55 –
Quote from: devosalain – on
Which was your previous Linux distro before using Artix and why did you move to Artix ? I was using gentoo-openrc , but i compiled the whole distro from source which uses quite a lot of electricity($$$). Now i install on Artix all binary packages , and only compile a few AUR from source. I learned Artix by googling non-systemd distro's.
[Although i first tried Antix(debian), which has many  communalities with Artix] Which distro do you use , when you don't use Artix  ?


My previous linux was: Manjaro  ??? . I split when the started seriously talking about enforcing telemetry again. I was already on the cusp of switching out due to the pseudo-point release thing they have going on, where packages are held back for anywhere up to two months before dumping a hefty download on you all at once.

I had heard of non-systemd distros, and I was interested in following a more Linux faithful philosophy. "It's your system, what you do with it is up to you" and "Do one thing, do it well". With it's non-SystemD approach, yet following many of Arch's ideals Artix quickly became a top contender for distro I wanted to switch to. I noted that it was also privacy orientated. Other distros didn't really come close, they were either too cumbersome to use realistically (gentoo), too out of date (denuvan/antix etc) or seemed to struggle with keeping to a DIY approach. I guess I first found Artix through the NoSystemD website.

My first run with Artix didn't really go well (after accidentally nuking my own install) but after I went with the xfce and was surprised at how easy it was to install with Calamares (though it should really allow you to select what you want to use as your init).

I also use Antix on a smaller (much older system). I find arch like distros to be a little on the heavy side surprisingly.

Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?

Reply #56 –
My linux history began in November 2010. Ubuntu - tried a lot of different distros - Crunchbang - ArchBang - Arch.
I was running arch for a little more than a year, 2011 - 2012. That was an exciting year, things happened all the time, (lot's of stories about Allan-broke-it, for those who remember...) and a lot of inspiration from their forum.
Then came that sad day when they switched to systemd... I had never heard about systemd when suddenly a flame-war broke out in their forum. I decided to try it out for myself, with an open mind, forget everything I had read about it and just make my own opinion about it. But it was even worse than I could imagine. Total crap, and I just hated it! To make things worse, my special interest at that time was to understand the boot process, so I was studying the initscript trying to understand what they did. Systemd would destroy all that fun. I had sysvinit on another partition, so I could just reboot back to it when I was tired of trying out systemd. I stuck to it until things stopped working after an update.

Then I had to find myself another distro. All automated distros was out of question. I can't stand it when the os lives its own life and just disturbs me.
Struggling with Gentoo, Funtoo, Crux... Couldn't get it the way I wanted it, and I thought it was too much work when i wasn't satisfied with the result. So then I just had to settle down with Slackware. It was the only distro I could at all stand. But I didn't like it. In many ways the opposite of what i wanted and what I had in Arch. A very slim system. I wanted to know what all packages I had installed was for. And I missed pacman... Yes, i love pacman, the only package manager I want.

But then I found someones script about how to build Linux From Scratch with pacman. They were quite old and outdated, and i didn't understand most of what they were doing but I understood enough to write my own scripts. I had already before that built LFS manually once. So I made my own "distro", and  kept it updated for almost 12 years.
I found out about Artix a little more than 2 years ago. Tried it out in virtualbox, but I was very attached to my own distro and wasn't ready to give it up then. But at least I knew there was an alternative now.
"Everything" (software) just become more and more complicated, and now I have reached a point where I feel like it's not worth it anymore. The last update was just too much.
So now I have switched to Artix, and I'm very satisfied. :D

Can you imagine the feeling when I want to install something:
pacman -S <pkgname>
pacman: Do you want me to install <pkgname> and 10 (or 20) dependencies for you?
me: Oh, yes, I'd love you to install all that for me, and I can just sit down, relax and see some text fly by in the terminal, and within seconds the program is installed and I can start using it. When one is used to doing everything oneself, create PKGBUILDs, figure out how I wanted to compile everything, fix all errors... (But I had a lot of fun and learned a lot from it too, so I'm not complaining.)
 

Re: You moved from distro X to Artix, why ?

Reply #57 –
Quote from: XyzzyX – on
So now I have switched to Artix, and I'm very satisfied. :D

I had Archlinux on a laptop but my main goto was may desktop with PCLinuxOS. Like you, I found hands-on how disastrous systemd was for me. PCLinuxOS was systemd-free as well but they were a bit late in adopting Plasma 6 on Wayland.

I tried other systemd-free distros but there's not many left. The most obvious distro that was easier to install for me was Artix Linux. The plus were it's based on Archlinux, i.e. pacman -Syu and after a coin-flip (and a bit of quick research), S6 was the init I went and install.  
S6/Plasma