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Re: Install Artix PLASMA/KDE from the scratch plus BTRFS and LUKS

Reply #15
I would like to ask the question from Cosque again if there is a plan to build a version of Artix.iso  with Plasma?
I would like to install a fresh Artix only with KDE Plasma 5 as my favorite Desktop and without LXQT is additionally installed.

Thanks.
The LXQT iso on sourceforge can install plasma fine just choose "netinstall=yes" at the grub boot screen.


Re: Install Artix PLASMA/KDE from the scratch plus BTRFS and LUKS

Reply #17
I don't understand what you guys see in that thing, it is like windows just worse.
Too many things on desktop, too many options and configurations for nothing,  things being fuzzy, half an hour in it and I started panicking and hitting ctrl-alt-del!

Noplace like openbox with a crafty conky and my favorite terminal

Re: Install Artix PLASMA/KDE from the scratch plus BTRFS and LUKS

Reply #18
I don't understand what you guys see in that thing, it is like windows just worse.
Too many things on desktop, too many options and configurations for nothing,  things being fuzzy, half an hour in it and I started panicking and hitting ctrl-alt-del!

Noplace like openbox with a crafty conky and my favorite terminal
that's the way keep it simple and enjoy ;D

Re: Install Artix PLASMA/KDE from the scratch plus BTRFS and LUKS

Reply #19
I don't understand what you guys see in that thing, it is like windows just worse.
Too many things on desktop, too many options and configurations for nothing,  things being fuzzy, half an hour in it and I started panicking and hitting ctrl-alt-del!

Noplace like openbox with a crafty conky and my favorite terminal
I am an old windows damaged user, who works with Linux for only 2 years.
Give me time guys.  8)

Re: Install Artix PLASMA/KDE from the scratch plus BTRFS and LUKS

Reply #20
You will learn hopefully All bells and whistles like KDE/Gnome/Cinnamon are fine but they are just built for the developer, WMs openbox/JWM/Awesome/i3/etc are built by the user and tailored to their needs, work-flow tiling WMs look intimidating at 1st, but once you master them you see why they are so popular with the pros.

Don't get me wrong In our house we have Gnome3 on void one one machine that runs 18 hrs a day, again it looks alien till you forget the windows way then its just logical to use like I can run upto 35 projects on 35  clean workspaces at one time the way I set it up as a stacking manager and nothing spills as a stacking manager over so no pollution, + I can use it as a tiling manager.

On my personal machine using Artix, I use JWM  now as my main work horse I find it more flexible than Any DE or even OB, lighting fast stable. never had a crash or freeze very similar to OB but all settings are on 1 file I split the file into 5 for easy setting the whole interface is setup from those files want a dock just tell it to draw a dock. don't like the headers,buttons,style, want a start menu, just tell it what you want it to draw done, sounds advanced but its not really and very light meaning ram is used for your advantage not the DE, means things are faster.

Re: Install Artix PLASMA/KDE from the scratch plus BTRFS and LUKS

Reply #21
You will learn hopefully All bells and whistles like KDE/Gnome/Cinnamon are fine but they are just built for the developer, WMs openbox/JWM/Awesome/i3/etc are built by the user and tailored to their needs, work-flow tiling WMs look intimidating at 1st, but once you master them you see why they are so popular with the pros.

Don't get me wrong In our house we have Gnome3 on void one one machine that runs 18 hrs a day, again it looks alien till you forget the windows way then its just logical to use like I can run upto 35 projects on 35  clean workspaces at one time the way I set it up as a stacking manager and nothing spills as a stacking manager over so no pollution, + I can use it as a tiling manager.

On my personal machine using Artix, I use JWM  now as my main work horse I find it more flexible than Any DE or even OB, lighting fast stable. never had a crash or freeze very similar to OB but all settings are on 1 file I split the file into 5 for easy setting the whole interface is setup from those files want a dock just tell it to draw a dock. don't like the headers,buttons,style, want a start menu, just tell it what you want it to draw done, sounds advanced but its not really and very light meaning ram is used for your advantage not the DE, means things are faster.
Your comments are very revealing and it confirms my decision to turn my back on Windows and to look into Linux in my old age. Not only that Linux is much more stable and leaner, it can be cut to the smallest on your own needs, if you know how  :D .
It also confirms that it's not just surfing the web, but that it's a philosophy that will provide many exciting chapters for the user, if you get involved  8) .
In this sense, I will certainly test other DE on virtual machines and let myself be surprised by the functionality.
However, I will not get around using KDE for my wife's computer  8) .

Re: Install Artix PLASMA/KDE from the scratch plus BTRFS and LUKS

Reply #22
Your comments are very revealing and it confirms my decision to turn my back on Windows and to look into Linux in my old age. Not only that Linux is much more stable and leaner, it can be cut to the smallest on your own needs, if you know how  :D .
It also confirms that it's not just surfing the web, but that it's a philosophy that will provide many exciting chapters for the user, if you get involved  8) .
In this sense, I will certainly test other DE on virtual machines and let myself be surprised by the functionality.
However, I will not get around using KDE for my wife's computer  8) .
No need to apologize for your use of KDE. I am a longtime Linux user and I can say that Plasma is my DE of choice. It can seem overwhelmingly complex at first with it's multitude of configuration options, but once you find your way around it a bit, you can easily set it up to look or be what you want it to be. I have used many different DE's, but always find them lacking in some way or another compared to Plasma for my use. :)
It may not end up being your choice, and there are lots of alternatives in the Linux world. That's one of the great things about Linux after all.
Have fun.

Best regards.
We should try to be kind to everyone.....we are all fighting some sort of battle.

Re: Install Artix PLASMA/KDE from the scratch plus BTRFS and LUKS

Reply #23
However, I will not get around using KDE for my wife's computer  8) .

When a friends win7 took a dive (licensing problems, black screen, lost key, ..?) I took most of her /home related stuff and used an LXQT desktop and made it appear the same and run similar software (chrome).  Same background, etc.
After a while when I checked on her to see how she adjusted she asked "what do you mean, isn't this windows that I am on now?"  .... I was tempted to respond that it was a newer version of windows ... but I told the truth.  She said whatever it is it is running much faster, it never sticks/freezes, and everything she does just flows better.

For a full DE I only like LXDE, but I can see what it is that people like in plasma.  It just feels like an over-furnished apartment to me.

Re: Install Artix PLASMA/KDE from the scratch plus BTRFS and LUKS

Reply #24
After a while when I checked on her to see how she adjusted she asked "what do you mean, isn't this windows that I am on now?"  .... I was tempted to respond that it was a newer version of windows ... but I told the truth.  She said whatever it is it is running much faster, it never sticks/freezes, and everything she does just flows better.

The truth is that most users don't need Windows for what they do.  My dad has an old laptop from my sister that was running Vista and of course was horrifically slow and out of date.  Replaced it with Xubuntu, made sure Chrome and LibreOffice was installed.  Does everything that he needs.  Same works for most people that don't do modern gaming or require specialised software.

Re: Install Artix PLASMA/KDE from the scratch plus BTRFS and LUKS

Reply #25
As long as this post is pinned, I thought I should throw in my 2 cents for when I installed KDE plasma. I ran into trouble about dbus not being able to sync the environment.

To solve that I just did "dbus-uuidgen > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id".  That's the only trouble I ran into while installing KDE, otherwise everything was business as usual.

More details in this post: https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,710.0.html

Re: Install Artix PLASMA/KDE from the scratch plus BTRFS and LUKS

Reply #26
If installing off the 2-2019 Gremlins ISO there are things that differ from the original post.  At time of writing this post 3/31/2019 I installed plasma two days ago for the sake of fresh notes.

Once in LXQT desktop (and on cabled internet) open terminal

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sudo pacman -R artix-lxqt-presets commman-openrc cmst connman xcursor-breeze
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sudo pacman -S plasma sddm networkmanager-openrc kde-applications

kde-applications and network manager are options however plasma wont install with xcursor-breeze and artix-lxqt-presets  installed as they conflict with breeze.

After all that installs

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sudo rc-update add netowkrmanager default
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sudo rc-service networkmanager start

For printing

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sudo pacman -S cups-openrc
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sudo rc-update add cupsd default
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sudo rc-service cupsd start

Now the plasma tray dialog for printers should allow you to choose one instead of showing red x. It may require one to log out and back in or to reboot. Adding printer dialog allows one to choose by model. Hover over each one to see all models that the driver covers. If no luck on your model of printer move on to next step and try the same there

For scanning

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sudo pacman -S sane-openrc
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sudo rc-update add saned default
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sudo rc-service saned start

Most linux distros wont handle these files as they are license intensive so we look to the AUR for this. First we install tool to gain access to AUR.

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sudo pacman -S yaourtix 

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yaourtix -Sy

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sudo yaourtix -S iscan-plugin-network

Use yaourtix to search your printer from previous step if needed.  Here is where to start if your model is not found:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CUPS#Printer_Drivers

Depeding on the model of scanner instructions from here may differ. I have an epson wf610 so I looked here:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SANE/Scanner-specific_problems

While rebooting you may notice that greeter screen is still from lxqt

Two ways to edit at this point. Use KDE file manager dolphin to navigate to /etc/sddm.conf
or
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sudo nano /etc/sddm.conf

KDE will ask for your password (if you installed kde-applications) when you save the file.

In the top few lines we need to change

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current theme = lxqt

to read

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current theme = breeze

If using nano: ctl+o to save. ctl+x to exit.


Mandatory menu icon change:

right click on "start" menu icon.  Choose "configure application menu" Click on icon box or square -> choose -> click circle for "other icons" -> browse -> Root file system on left /usr/share/icons/artix/logo.svg

click ok and apply.

If you need sysmon on desktop and are lazy

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sudo yaourtix -S conky-colors
Read the readme.md as there are many options to configure and launch for different results. More:

https://github.com/helmuthdu/conky_colors

If you wish to have graphical package manager and tray icon for updates:
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sudo pacman -S octopi octopi-cachecleaner octopi-notifier-frameworks octopi-pacmanhelper octopi-repoeditor


Open settings tab on octopi and go to AUR and check box for yaourt and it seems yaourtix gets tied in to graphical octopi. Now you have tray notification on updates.

Cell phone integration:

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sudo pacman -S kdeconnect

This one little app is wonderful for those of us who need to stay connected and constitutes my reasoning for using kde.
AKA I have a GF with high anxieties. Not sure for ios but android users go to play store and install kde connect. On opening screen click on all the bottom items as they are permission setting. If you want the full bore allow all and you will enjoy some neat integration between cell phone and Artix. Remote mouse, file share, clip board inserting, rely to texts and emails and more. In KDE from application menu go to Settings -> System Settings scroll left pane down and select KDE Connect. Click on instance in middle pane, probably "google" if not renamed. Now you will see all the options for computer side. If a masochist once can elect to send computer notifications to the phone.  This area is useful for sending a ping to the phone or ringing it if you happen to have lost track of its location.

optional cleanup

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sudo pacman -R lxqt

Other than what is listed above I did nothing more to bring plasma in and configure it for daily use. No involvement with keys or systemd-dummy packages. These may be decent delta instructions since the original poster used an older ISO.

 I understand that many do not like KDE and I have mixed feeling as well. That being said its useful to have docs updated and current for anyone seeking answers.