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Firefox in the Artix repositories

Hi all,

I have read and noted that the Arch repositories are disabled by default and in principle, I find this step logical and understandable, especially with regard to systemd.
But I would still like to know if a program like Firefox will be included in the Artix repositories soon.
I don't mean a fork like librewolf or dragonfly and certainly not ungoogled-chromium, but the original Firefox.

Thanks in advance.

Many greetings
Roberto

Re: Firefox in the Artix repositories

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Quote from: Roberto – on
I have read and noted that the Arch repositories are disabled by default and in principle, I find this step logical and understandable, especially with regard to systemd.
You can enable 'extra' and 'community' Arch repos and take the packages from there in your Artix installation. There are plenty of packages in those repos which you need in order to build a fully-featured system, that's not only Firefox.
BTW there is firefox-esr in the 'universe' Artix repository, which I use. Those 'unofficial' Artix repos are quite interesting and definitely worth using on a desktop system.

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i personally use firedragon, and i see no difference between firedragon and Firefox regarding browsing. all websites works perfectly, drm works, as bonus less spy from Google...
but i agree with victorBrand. here is no reason have disabled archlinux repo. if you want use firefox or another programs from archlinux, just enable archlinux repos. i personally want never to have disable archlinux repos... i want have archlinux without systemd

Re: Firefox in the Artix repositories

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Please don't get me wrong, I have nothing against forks that respect privacy, quite the opposite.
It's just always a fine line between safety and comfort or even appealing optics.

I also know that I can include the Arch repositories again, but I don't want to do that in principle.

I just wanted to know if it is planned.

Thank you all for your opinions and assessments.

Many greetings
Roberto

Re: Firefox in the Artix repositories

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Quote from: strajder – on
Why not privacy-respecting forks?
Regarding those "privacy-respecting" browsers one must be aware that due to growing social demand in privacy there are a lot of baits, hoaxes and scam around this theme. Not every claim about "respecting privacy" should be believed.

There are a couple of good reviews (or rather surveys) on this topic, I'd recommend reading this article:
https://unixsheikh.com/articles/choose-your-browser-carefully.html
According to the article, best privacy-oriented browsers are GNU IceCat and then tweaked Firefox. Librewolf (still?) has some issues with "phoning home" and accessing cdn servers on startup.

And here is a guide on tweaking Firefox towards privacy:
https://12bytes.org/articles/tech/firefox/the-firefox-privacy-guide-for-dummies/

A common guide on Firerox tweaking:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Firefox/Tweaks

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Quote from: VictorBrand – on
There are plenty of packages in those repos which you need in order to build a fully-featured system, that's not only Firefox.

I would again point out that this is not a true statement.
It purely depends on your perception of a "fully featured system".

With regards to firefox, we gonna add a default browser, but if it will be FF or maybe brave browser, or even another one hasn't been decided yet.  We not gonna add multiple browsers though, because they all tend to be resource hungry  monsters to compile.

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Quote from: artoo – on
With regards to firefox, we gonna add a default browser, but if it will be FF or maybe brave browser, or even another one hasn't been decided yet.  We not gonna add multiple browsers though, because they all tend to be resource hungry  monsters to compile.
If you are aiming at minimalism, I think the default should be what's already included on the LiveUSB images - midori, with Librewolf, ungoogled-chromium etc kept in universe like they are now.

I'd strongly advise against Brave, as in addition to spying on its users, it tries to promote its own cryptocurrency in a suspicious manner. I know Luke Smith is trying to promote it, but the page I quoted has more details on it, as well as the subreddit of Uphold, the company supporting the BAT. Brave rewards themselves require sending government ID and detailed personal information, there is no trace of anonymity nor privacy.

Quote from: Roberto – on
Reading what is described and written on this website, the only logical consequence is ... to uninstall the Internet.  :o
If you want 100% privacy, that's true, but still we should aim to be as close to that 100% as realistically possible.

Quote from: VictorBrand – on
Regarding those "privacy-respecting" browsers one must be aware that due to growing social demand in privacy there are a lot of baits, hoaxes and scam around this theme. Not every claim about "respecting privacy" should be believed.
That's true.

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According to the article, best privacy-oriented browsers are GNU IceCat and then tweaked Firefox. Librewolf (still?) has some issues with "phoning home" and accessing cdn servers on startup.
Currently, I'm using ungoogled-chromium with uBlock Origin, HTTPSAnywhere, Canvas Blocker and other privacy addons as my default browser. I was using Librewolf briefly, but it doesn't support dark mode setting.

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Quote from: VictorBrand – on
Regarding those "privacy-respecting" browsers one must be aware that due to growing social demand in privacy there are a lot of baits, hoaxes and scam around this theme. Not every claim about "respecting privacy" should be believed.

You are right, but remember that you can monitor traffic on your network, just as the bloggers have done. The digdeeper neocities site mentioned above has a write-up on how to view the https traffic generated by a browser using mitm-proxy. A person interested in using a browser, especially one that makes lofty  privacy claims should at least cursorily test for themselves.

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I have tried and tested Firedragon extensively and I can confirm, that this browser is a very good alternative for the previously used Firefox.
If someone can tell me how to teach the browser to stay in full screen on startup, I might switch to Firedragon. :)

greets
Roberto

Re: Firefox in the Artix repositories

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@Roberto

What do you miss in the ESR FF from the Artix Repos?

Do you know this sites? For me they are the best if you use FF. (They are in german language ;) )
https://www.kuketz-blog.de/
https://www.privacy-handbuch.de/

Kuketz analyse different Browsers. This man is really great.

Have fun greetings TM
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 4800H
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 Ti mobile
loaded: amdgpu,ati,modesetting,nouveau
Kernel: up to date
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Re: Firefox in the Artix repositories

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Quote from: Roberto – on
I have tried and tested Firedragon extensively and I can confirm, that this browser is a very good alternative for the previously used Firefox.
If someone can tell me how to teach the browser to stay in full screen on startup, I might switch to Firedragon. :)

greets
Roberto
about:config
look for entry "privacy.resistFingerprinting" this must be "false".
i find firedragon much better as default set up librewolf, it's my main browser now and i searched this option too, @Roberto 😅

Re: Firefox in the Artix repositories

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Quote from: Thats_me – on
@Roberto

What do you miss in the ESR FF from the Artix Repos?

Do you know this sites? For me they are the best if you use FF. (They are in german language ;) )
https://www.kuketz-blog.de/
https://www.privacy-handbuch.de/

Kuketz analyse different Browsers. This man is really great.

Have fun greetings TM


Hi thats_me,

I don't like to use firefox-esr so much because it is at version 78.
I like the new design of version 89 and for this reason I test firedragon and also librewolf.

Many greetings
Roberto