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Re: artix over bittorrent

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I once suggested putting torrents as the first download option, still it got rejected and I have no idea why, considering it eases the loads on the download servers because most people pick the first option.

Re: artix over bittorrent

Reply #2 –
 like the torrents a bit...  It doesn't take up all that much space and doesn't use up all that much bandwidth generally once they are downloaded and it's a simple way to show appreciation to the artix devs for all their hard work.  Most people can do this much.  Though likely some have slow internets and can't.  My guaranteed speed on the ACP program is 150 mbits and i can def do everything i need to while it runs after the initial d/l's are done.
Cat Herders of Linux

Re: artix over bittorrent

Reply #3 –
Quote from: Lancia – on
I once suggested putting torrents as the first download option, still it got rejected and I have no idea why, considering it eases the loads on the download servers because most people pick the first option.

Main reason is, most of the people dont use torrent and dont have even a torrent client installed. Torrent is sure a nice option to offer.

But only Users, wich knows what Torrent is, and want to "support" a little bit, use Torrent.

For me, it only complicates everything. and at my job i hate if i have a brand new device (most windows installed on), and want to get for testing purpose a iso because i forgot my "tools" (usb sticks etc) or in situation where somebody asks me and im not prepared, i visit the page and need first do a hours long search (sarcasm) where the normal https/ftp links are.

Re: artix over bittorrent

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Quote from: cat herders of linux – on
like the torrents a bit...  It doesn't take up all that much space and doesn't use up all that much bandwidth generally once they are downloaded and it's a simple way to show appreciation to the artix devs for all their hard work.  Most people can do this much.  Though likely some have slow internets and can't.  My guaranteed speed on the ACP program is 150 mbits and i can def do everything i need to while it runs after the initial d/l's are done.

>>Though likely some have slow internets and can't.

It's more about having more seeders than having super fast internet.

Quote from: pluto – on
Main reason is, most of the people dont use torrent and dont have even a torrent client installed. Torrent is sure a nice option to offer.

But only Users, wich knows what Torrent is, and want to "support" a little bit, use Torrent.

For me, it only complicates everything. and at my job i hate if i have a brand new device (most windows installed on), and want to get for testing purpose a iso because i forgot my "tools" (usb sticks etc) or in situation where somebody asks me and im not prepared, i visit the page and need first do a hours long search (sarcasm) where the normal https/ftp links are.

>>Main reason is, most of the people dont use torrent and dont have even a torrent client installed. Torrent is sure a nice option to offer.

Agree in general, but have to disagree in this context.

Most people who come to Arch or Artix already have a level of competency with computers, and it's not unreasonable to assume they have torrent clients installed or can do so very easily if not.

Torrents are an option, but what I said is that it should be the first choice, not replace the http server download links.

>>For me, it only complicates everything.

It doesn't, half a scroll down the page and you find the other download links.
 

Re: artix over bittorrent

Reply #5 –
Sure it complicates:

Open a Browser, and find out wich Torrentclient is for wich DE (if you care).
Then you need do download/install the choosen client.
Then set it up (where to download, permissions, etc).
Then download the torrent file.
Then add that to the torrentclient.
Then wait for it until finished (mostly takes a eternity).

And now:

Open Browser.
Download directly the iso.

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Most people who come to Arch or Artix already have a level of competency with computers, and it's not unreasonable to assume they have torrent clients installed or can do so very easily if not.

That is no argument. Than you could even say: Why calamares? Why other GUI installer? People who use Arch, Gentoo, Void (what ever is ranked as "expert" os) know how to do xyz.

But this is a endless discussion :-) 

If you want to use Torrent. Great. Do it.

Re: artix over bittorrent

Reply #6 –
Iso d/l are often very slow.  and chew up a lot of bandwidth for the servers that host them.  sharing the load is a reasonable thing to do.
Cat Herders of Linux

Re: artix over bittorrent

Reply #7 –
Quote from: pluto – on
Sure it complicates:

Open a Browser, and find out wich Torrentclient is for wich DE (if you care).
Then you need do download/install the choosen client.
Then set it up (where to download, permissions, etc).
Then download the torrent file.
Then add that to the torrentclient.
Then wait for it until finished (mostly takes a eternity).

And now:

Open Browser.
Download directly the iso.

Your "complication" occurs because you yourself have chosen to opt-in for torrent download instead of http download in spite of the lack of a torrent client, and then complain when the process takes longer, you've basically manufactured a problem that didn't even exist in the first place.

Again, torrent download should be the top choice like Arch does, and then put the http downloads below them.

Don't want or can't use torrent options? scroll down and use the http links.

Also:

>>Open a Browser, and find out wich Torrentclient is for wich DE (if you care).

You don't have to install a GUI client, install a terminal client


>>That is no argument. Than you could even say: Why calamares? Why other GUI installer? People who use Arch, Gentoo, Void (what ever is ranked as "expert" os) know how to do xyz.

1- That was a reasonable assumption

2- I never said anything about graphical installers

3- if somebody does not have the very basic knowledge of installing a package, then maybe they should reconsider their choice of distro

Re: artix over bittorrent

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Your "complication" occurs because you yourself have chosen to opt-in for torrent download instead of http download in spite of the lack of a torrent client, and then complain when the process takes longer, you've basically manufactured a problem that didn't even exist in the first place.

No. Everybody for example wich use Artix, and the installer. Or everybody who uses Windows, or MacOS. Or Archlinux. And many more. on mostly OS and Distribrution, there is no Torrentclient installed, because the Distribrution dont deliver them with there installer. So everybody needs to find and install first a torrent client and configuring it correctly. Sure there exist few Distribrution wich delivers "anything the planet delivers". Games, Browser, Emailclients etc pp. And there is a torrentclient too.

Anybody else, and especially Windows and Macos user. must 99% of the time first install a client.

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You don't have to install a GUI client, install a terminal client

Nevermind if you install a GUI Client or a terminal one. You must first know what clients exists.

There is a reason, why Torrent maybe only 0.1% of Users use it for iso downloads. Because they want to support that because of special interest (and the distribrution because of hosting costs). The other 99.9% use it only for illegal sharing files like videos, games, etc. 

Like said, you can use and support torrent. but to make demands about where what should be in what place is a bit cheeky  ;-)

Re: artix over bittorrent

Reply #9 –
Most *nix distro have a searchable tool for available packages to install from the repository and most users of said distros have some knowledge of torrent clients and of how to search their repos for said clients.  Maybe everyone doesn't use them but nearly everyone has a knowledge of them.
Cat Herders of Linux