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Re: postmarketOS goes systemd

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There was some discussion about this, but in short some of the pmos devs are aware that this can alienate a lot of the user base and potentially kill the distro, so i wouldn't worry too much but in the case of gnome-based desktops it's really a shame as they really made every component of it work without systemd, i guess the patches are still there for building your own image but who knows if they still will develop them (the big issue of course)
@SGOrava could have something to add, he also uses pmos. :)

Re: postmarketOS goes systemd

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I have heard that a core dev left because of that.

In my opinion they betrayed a lot of users that were using it cause it was like Alpine but systemd it is not "Small. Simple. Secure.".
But I wonder if Alpine will do that too one day...

As far as I know only sxmo will build with openrc.
Phosh and plasma mobile will use systemd.
Those 3 are the most popular GUIs for phones.

I wish there was an Artix mobile project.
Now I am running ARMtix on my pinephone but I have to use Danctnix Arch repo for kernel and some device things.
Not the best right now for example:
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Re: postmarketOS goes systemd

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Alpine is in the process of providing an S6-based init, last I heard. I doubt they'd throw all that away in favor of adopting systemd.

Re: postmarketOS goes systemd

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If you'd like a small gnu/linux device, check out the gole 2 pro. I'm turning it into a phone here. It runs artix with openrc/kde pretty well.

Re: postmarketOS goes systemd

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Bomfunk MC's - Freestyler (Video Original Version)
Like Debbie does Dallas, yeah, postmarketOS goes systemd

That device looks nice but I see that the project to turn in into a phone is still unfinished.
And you need to solder/desolder things it does not looks so easy.

This one has a modem but no microphone and camera: https://www.clockworkpi.com/product-page/uconsole-kit-a-06.
And no mainline kernel because of missing drivers.

Re: postmarketOS goes systemd

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I love PostmarketOS but as a Phosh user it sucks that it will be going SystemD at some point. My main reason for picking PostmarketOS over another distro was that it offered an alternative to SystemD.

Re: postmarketOS goes systemd

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It's unfortunate their top reason for considering elogind inadequate is sd_journal_stream_fd, which is basically a syslog stream except it connects to a systemd-specific path. Hooking up svlogd/s6-log to a inetd that supports Unix sockets would've provided most of the functionality.

Wish best of luck to Sxmo team.

Quote from: corysanin – on
Alpine is in the process of providing an S6-based init, last I heard. I doubt they'd throw all that away in favor of adopting systemd.

There's a Mastodon thread where a proeminent Alpine developer seriously considers doing that.

Skarnet provides some updates on the status of the s6-based init for Alpine (or, more formally, s6-rc v1) in the replies; it seems he's trying to iron out dependency handling when reacting to events. (Honestly, I'd prefer waiting; unexplainable hangups with start/stop jobs is what made me give up on systemd in the first place).

Re: postmarketOS goes systemd

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Quote from: kiblaster – on
https://postmarketos.org/blog/2024/03/05/adding-systemd/

pmOS the most popular distro for phones and mobile is based on Alpine Linux, it is an extra layer on it.

They will now use mostly systemd supporting openrc only as long Alpine has it.
Only the sxmo GUI will have openrc.

https://www.alpinelinux.org/
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Small. Simple. Secure.

That's upsetting news to hear. We need less systemd in the world today.

Re: postmarketOS goes systemd

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https://postmarketos.org/blog/2024/08/16/paying-for-development/
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As mentioned in our previous blog post, thanks to your donations we do not only have enough to pay the server bills. But we can also pay somebody to work part-time on postmarketOS from the donations
And that person will work on systemd integration, and they will be the only paid dev.

Right now the Linux smartphones have so many hardware problems they could mainline some good open phone.
https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices

Re: postmarketOS goes systemd

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Quote from: PublicLewdness – on
I love PostmarketOS but as a Phosh user it sucks that it will be going SystemD at some point. My main reason for picking PostmarketOS over another distro was that it offered an alternative to SystemD.
In the article they complain about KDE and GNOME and it seems that if Alpine does have something they won't do non systemd version:
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one of the main blockers we found as we collaborate more closely with KDE and GNOME developers is that they have a hard time with our OpenRC-based stack
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 as long as OpenRC is in Alpine Linux (on which postmarketOS is based), you will still be able to select it in pmbootstrap when building your own images
Phosh is in Alpine repo: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=*phosh*&branch=edge&repo=&arch=&maintainer=.
And plasma mobile too: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=*plasma-mobi*&branch=edge&repo=&arch=&maintainer=.
So what I said about phosh and plasma mobile looks wrong, sorry.

I find the article somehow confusing we will see.