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Re: X.Org is being forked, huge drama brewing...

Reply #90 –
Quote from: Artist – on
Nvidia:
Some commit have been done of which the latest is:
https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/commit/fa7cc111e71c46dabae24c6a60fcbb3b21f270cc:
this is specifically for NVidia proprietary driver: they're again lagging
behind a year, doing at least some minimal cleanup of their code base.
All attempts to get in direct contact with them have failed.
And nvidia won't do jackshit about that, Xorg related or Xlibre related, they just don't care. Here's direct confirmation that it was nvidia's direct involvement with all of those reversed commits:
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests/2017#note_2956688
https://archive.is/GYUlv#note_2956688
So at some point we must assume they'll deliberately break Xlibre from working.


Quote from: mrbrklyn – on
The solution to running X as root is to make sure X is secure and proper use of SUID
What the hell are you talking about? This doesn't have anything to do with anything. It's possible to run Xorg rootless (It's pure Xorg, not Xlibre...) right now without any problem:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Re: X.Org is being forked, huge drama brewing...

Reply #91 –
Quote from: clappingsnowdrop – on
So far no issues with Xlibre itself. I can't use the programs I like to use, but it's only foot terminal and yambar. I prefer those, but that's for another thread.

Should've said fingers crossed. :D

@Artist
After update. Dwm won't start. It will go in a blank black page of which is frozen (I cannot change tty) so I have no choice but to restart.
Note: I while I cannot change tty and is stuck with the black blank screen, the soft-restart ctrl-alt-del combo still works.

My setup is that dwm is started with startx (xinitrc). There are no patches applied in my dwm. only changes in my dwm config files are keyboard controls and cosmetics (bar color and font).

Only caveat is that dwm is not globally installed. it is within home directory. I highly doubt this is part of the problem as it worked before the update. But I just want to be transparent.

The packages I'm in suspicion of are xlibre-server xlibre-server-common from the galaxy-goblins repo since it's only these two that are updated.

Edit: other packages I have installed from Xlibre are xlibre-xf86-input-libinput and xlibre-xf86-video-amdgpu. Maybe it's xlibre-xf86-video-amdgpu that needs updating. As currently in dwl (wayland) xwayland seems to run fine (tested by launching steam and suckless terminal).

Re: X.Org is being forked, huge drama brewing...

Reply #92 –
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Quote from: mrbrklyn – on
The solution to running X as root is to make sure X is secure and proper use of SUID
What the hell are you talking about? This doesn't have anything to do with anything. It's possible to run Xorg rootless (It's pure Xorg, not Xlibre...) right now without any problem:


Not in my experience.  It has been dysfunctional since they de-rooted it.

Why are you cursing?

Re: X.Org is being forked, huge drama brewing...

Reply #93 –
Quote from: clappingsnowdrop – on
It will go in a blank black page of which is frozen (I cannot change tty) so I have no choice but to restart.
Note: I while I cannot change tty and is stuck with the black blank screen, the soft-restart ctrl-alt-del combo still works.

Edit: other packages I have installed from Xlibre are xlibre-xf86-input-libinput and xlibre-xf86-video-amdgpu. Maybe it's xlibre-xf86-video-amdgpu that needs updating. As currently in dwl (wayland) xwayland seems to run fine (tested by launching steam and suckless terminal).
Reinstall the xlibre-xf86-video-amdgpu package (or upgrade). I had the same issue and after some debugging in the IRC, it was discovered that it did need a rebuild.

Re: X.Org is being forked, huge drama brewing...

Reply #94 –
Quote from: Wirlaburla – on
Quote from: clappingsnowdrop – on
It will go in a blank black page of which is frozen (I cannot change tty) so I have no choice but to restart.
Note: I while I cannot change tty and is stuck with the black blank screen, the soft-restart ctrl-alt-del combo still works.

Edit: other packages I have installed from Xlibre are xlibre-xf86-input-libinput and xlibre-xf86-video-amdgpu. Maybe it's xlibre-xf86-video-amdgpu that needs updating. As currently in dwl (wayland) xwayland seems to run fine (tested by launching steam and suckless terminal).
Reinstall the xlibre-xf86-video-amdgpu package (or upgrade). I had the same issue and after some debugging in the IRC, it was discovered that it did need a rebuild.

So after another update. 3 packages were updated: xlibre-xf86-video-amdgpu, xlibre-server-common, and xlibre-server.
It started dwm nicely. Will post again of there are issues. Thank you @Wirlaburla.
 

Re: X.Org is being forked, huge drama brewing...

Reply #95 –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwTo6wvX768

Here's a good video that I'd like to post as a summary and an end to this topic as an archive for the future, cos I know people will try to look for stuff like this.

Re: X.Org is being forked, huge drama brewing...

Reply #96 –
The xlibre packages in our repos are currently under maintenance.

artist

Re: X.Org is being forked, huge drama brewing...

Reply #97 –
The xlibre packages in galaxy-goblins have been updated. Note that:
- these are built from today's 25.0.0.0 release
- the xlibre-server packages have been renamed to xlibre-xserver; if these do not get updated then install them manually
- some xlibre-xf86 will not be updated as their previous versions waere too high; if pacman -Q | grep 'xlibre-xf86' shows packages that have a git release number (like ...r12345.g.67890) these must be reinstalled manually to force them to be 'downgraded'.

All xlibre packages are planned to be moved to galaxy-gremlins (testing) soon, and more information will be made available then.

artist

Re: X.Org is being forked, huge drama brewing...

Reply #98 –
Quote from: Artist – on
- some xlibre-xf86 will not be updated as their previous versions waere too high; if pacman -Q | grep 'xlibre-xf86' shows packages that have a git release number (like ...r12345.g.67890) these must be reinstalled manually to force them to be 'downgraded'.
Shouldn't -Suu pacman flag fix it?
ARMtix
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Re: X.Org is being forked, huge drama brewing...

Reply #100 –
Fedora linux current proposal: "Replace the X.Org X11 Xserver (xorg-x11-xserver) with the X11Libre (XLibre) Xserver, an actively maintained fork."

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/X11Libre

I mean beyond funny. If it gets accepted it will in time find it's way into Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Hard to imagine happening but maybe we are at reality-weirder-than-fiction moment.

Re: X.Org is being forked, huge drama brewing...

Reply #101 –
Quote from: dpx – on
Fedora linux current proposal: "Replace the X.Org X11 Xserver (xorg-x11-xserver) with the X11Libre (XLibre) Xserver, an actively maintained fork."

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/X11Libre

I mean beyond funny. If it gets accepted it will in time find it's way into Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Hard to imagine happening but maybe we are at reality-weirder-than-fiction moment.

"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em"?  :D

Re: X.Org is being forked, huge drama brewing...

Reply #102 –
That FreeDesktop, to look for an excuse to ban Enrico, had to crucify him for breaking an ABI, like if anyone in FOSS has ever cared about ABI stability, is telling of how outstanding his work is. I'm looking forward to XLibre.

Re: X.Org is being forked, huge drama brewing...

Reply #103 –
https://teh.entar.net/@spacehobo/114726893729726265

After years of telling people that xorg is abandoned etc. to move them to wayland somebody is saying that it is actually in good hands.

When clearly the Xlibre fork is needed to keep it alive well.