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Re: X11 as a political dispute

Reply #30 –
Quote from: artoo – on
You also realize Marx was cousin of a pretty (in)famous banking dynasty that has been into private central banking?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FSWm67IhDU

Yeah - aside from the obvious inaccuracy, it would be pointed out that among the 13 million of us left in the world, we are almost all cousins, mostly by less than 6 relations.  And how else are we going to control the world without first controlling the banks with fiat money. 

Re: X11 as a political dispute

Reply #31 –
Quote from: mrbrklyn – on
Quote from: clappingsnowdrop – on

That's quite the blanket statement.

CRAP.  It is only a blanket statement to the degree that it is observed in ***ALL*** internet forums where arguing about politics NEVER resolves ANYTHING....EVER.

Nobody is ever convinced of anything.  No political outcomes ever happen because of them.  OCCASIONALLY such a forum triggers someone truly mentally ill to do a random act of violence. 

Other than that, it total fucks up the atmosphere of the forum.


The only thing it does is destroy the harmony of purpose of the forum that is being exposed to this form of poison.



Seems like I wasn't clear enough. By blanket statement I meant not which venue, where, etc. I meant the topic at hand. Politics is very wide encompassing. I thought the example of FOSS politics was enough for you to comprehend. So to put everything in one brush is just intellectually lazy. Every section of it is it's own niche. I.E. foss politics != social politics

Quote from: mrbrklyn – on
Quote from: gripped – on

So speaketh Eric

This Eric quote (whoever Eric is) amounts to

A) I will continue to badger you with off-topic offensive speech and character assassination, whether you like it or not. (In Brooklyn as I grew up this would get you a sock in the mouth).
B) I am righteously justified in offending you without reason or cause.
C) and I know ALL the truths... and you are all Neo-Fascist idiots for thinking otherwise

I am sick of all this.  I am sick of the toxicity from the Left, the Right, the Middle.

This forum is about talking about software... even the off-topic section is about Free Software.  Let other places carry this toxic content.  This is neutral ground for tech support and software development relating to Artix, Linux and Free Software.  Everyone should be able to come here and engage in THOSE subjects without feeling assaulted and trolled  without cause.


Just ignore the post you don't like then? X11Libre is being dragged as something of being political by the detractors. And this thread is addressing that and is mentioned by the thread's title. And even with that indicator like a big giant waving blinking flag, yet here you are.

No such thing as hate speech. I'm not even American and even I know this.
Why are you assuming malicious intent in a post that only contains some quotes? (The quotes gripped posted)

This is part/included to what I was referring to earlier. People posing as adults but can't handle tough conversations without lashing out.

I understand that you don't like it, but this sudden sperging out seems out of place. This and the assumption of intent. Where you hoping to derail this thread and get it shut down?

Re: X11 as a political dispute

Reply #32 –
Im with you mrbrklyn  i wish Politics is gone the world is better place without Politics even now bsd doing werid stuff, and im not political never will be i just want artix linux to be political-free and only talk about software, freedom, privacy, security, thats all i want, and  everyone listen i want you to try to quit Politics you will feel much better person and happy lets only talk about positive things pls i love everybody in this forum  "nous" "Artist" "cds" "mrbrklyn" "corysanin" "Dudemanguy"  "gripped" :-* .

Re: X11 as a political dispute

Reply #33 –
Quote from: clappingsnowdrop – on
Seems like I wasn't clear enough.


You were perfectly clear.  Nothing you said was new or original.

Quote from: clappingsnowdrop – on
Just ignore the post you don't like then? X11Libre is being dragged as something of being political by the detractors.

Yeah you just don't get it.  It doesn't matter and is not reason to drag all that poison  here.

Re: X11 as a political dispute

Reply #34 –
Quote from: mrbrklyn – on
This Eric quote (whoever Eric is)
Eric
Quote
I am sick of the toxicity from the Left, the Right, the Middle.
Me too (not #metoo)
Quote
This forum is about talking about software... even the __off-topic__ section is about Free Software and the Linux ecology.  Let other places carry this toxic content.  This is neutral ground for tech support and software development relating to Artix, Linux and Free Software.
But it's impossible to ignore that many of these Free software projects are politicised. You only have to look a the the rabid response to Xlibre to see that.

If there is a thread about "Why does my touchpad not work?" And someone starts shouting about Nazi's and or identity politics then that would be trolling.

But it's reasonable to expect political discourse in a thread entitled "X11 as a political dispute". You, nor anyone, has to take part. Unless you are under some sort of # of posts a day contract ? There is no reason it has to be toxic.
More Eric
Quote
What I have most wanted to do throughout the past ten years is to make political writing into an art. My starting point is always a feeling of partisanship, a sense of injustice.
The opinion that art should have nothing to do with politics is itself a political attitude.
Quote
In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics'. All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred, and schizophrenia.

Re: X11 as a political dispute

Reply #35 –
Quote from: mrbrklyn – on
Quote from: clappingsnowdrop – on
Seems like I wasn't clear enough.


You were perfectly clear.  Nothing you said was new or original.

Quote from: clappingsnowdrop – on
Just ignore the post you don't like then? X11Libre is being dragged as something of being political by the detractors.

Yeah you just don't get it.  It doesn't matter and is not reason to drag all that poison  here.

Man this is hilarious.
This and the sarcasm earlier is peak irony. Seems you like dishing out the "toxicity" just fine. More power to you.


I do in fact get it. I've already mentioned it earlier. And gripped has expressed it much better than I did earlier:

Quote from: gripped – on
But it's reasonable to expect political discourse in a thread entitled "X11 as a political dispute". You, nor anyone. has to take part. Unless you are under some sort of # of posts a day contract ? There is no reason it has to be toxic.

Re: X11 as a political dispute

Reply #36 –
Quote from: gripped – on
But it's reasonable to expect political discourse in a thread entitled "X11 as a political dispute". You, nor anyone, has to take part. Unless you are under some sort of # of posts a day contract ? There is no reason it has to be toxic.
More Eric
Quote
What I have most wanted to do throughout the past ten years is to make political writing into an art. My starting point is always a feeling of partisanship, a sense of injustice.
The opinion that art should have nothing to do with politics is itself a political attitude.
Quote
In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics'. All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred, and schizophrenia.




And yet, Low and Behold, the political thread has somehow devolved into Left-Right name callings with a sprinkling of anti-semetism just for extra spice! 

Who would had ever thunk it.

It might seem reasonable, but it never works.  This is not a dispassionate discussion of the political fallout and observations of the XLibre fork.  It is a Me, Myself, I, conversation of peoples political views outside of Free Software issues.  It can go back to the forum it originated from.

If these folks want to go out an write Animal Farm as a GNU-Linux Novella, by all means, go for it.  Just don't drag it here.

 

Re: X11 as a political dispute

Reply #37 –
Quote from: mrbrklyn – on
And yet, Low and Behold, the political thread has somehow devolved into Left-Right name callings with a sprinkling of anti-semetism just for extra spice! 
I reread the thread and I fail to see this. In the case of anti-Semitism I may be missing something subtle? Some sort of, as they call it, 'microaggression'? Or maybe it's obvious and I just missed it?

What I do see is you repeatedly saying "No politics, Tech forum", "No politics, Tech forum", "No politics, Tech forum", "No politics, Tech forum". Whilst ignoring the fact that you can't discuss the very real politicisation of tech without mentioning politics.

You seem to suggest that everybody else should bury their head in the sand and say nothing, to protect your sensibilities, rather than you just ceasing to engage with such threads.

Re: X11 as a political dispute

Reply #38 –
Quote from: mrbrklyn – on
Quote from: gripped – on
But it's reasonable to expect political discourse in a thread entitled "X11 as a political dispute". You, nor anyone, has to take part. Unless you are under some sort of # of posts a day contract ? There is no reason it has to be toxic.
More Eric






And yet, Low and Behold, the political thread has somehow devolved into Left-Right name callings with a sprinkling of anti-semetism just for extra spice! 

Who would had ever thunk it.

It might seem reasonable, but it never works.  This is not a dispassionate discussion of the political fallout and observations of the XLibre fork.  It is a Me, Myself, I, conversation of peoples political views outside of Free Software issues.  It can go back to the forum it originated from.

If these folks want to go out an write Animal Farm as a GNU-Linux Novella, by all means, go for it.  Just don't drag it here.

 

You're acting like those people from X/twitter or bluesky right now. Seems to confirm my suspicion earlier of trying to derail the thread.

Until you chill out I choose to not engage with you further as I don't think it'll be productive to do so. We're talking about X11 as a political dispute. Not about "anti-semitism". No one even mentioned about the Semites.

Re: X11 as a political dispute

Reply #39 –
Quote from: gripped – on

Whilst ignoring the fact that you can't discuss the very real politicisation of tech without mentioning politics.



I agree with this observation from my own work experience.
This is one of the reasons artix exists, xlibre is just the latest case of "DEI" and tyrannical policies cloaked as "inclusive and tolerant".

It about time to call a spade a spade, this mess lives from people silently going along with it while hiding the angry fist in the pocket.

Re: X11 as a political dispute

Reply #40 –
Quote from: clappingsnowdrop – on
Quote from: mrbrklyn – on



And yet, Low and Behold, the political thread has somehow devolved into Left-Right name callings with a sprinkling of anti-semetism just for extra spice! 

Who would had ever thunk it.

It might seem reasonable, but it never works.  This is not a dispassionate discussion of the political fallout and observations of the XLibre fork.  It is a Me, Myself, I, conversation of peoples political views outside of Free Software issues.  It can go back to the forum it originated from.

If these folks want to go out an write Animal Farm as a GNU-Linux Novella, by all means, go for it.  Just don't drag it here.

 

You're acting like those people from X/twitter or bluesky right now. Seems to confirm my suspicion earlier of trying to derail the thread.

Until you chill out I choose to not engage with you further as I don't think it'll be productive to do so. We're talking about X11 as a political dispute. Not about "anti-semitism". No one even mentioned about the Semites.


That is a manipulation of the facts to suit your emotional needs.  It has nothing to do with me.

Re: X11 as a political dispute

Reply #41 –
Quote from: artoo – on
Quote from: gripped – on

Whilst ignoring the fact that you can't discuss the very real politicisation of tech without mentioning politics.



I agree with this observation from my own work experience.
This is one of the reasons artix exists, xlibre is just the latest case of "DEI" and tyrannical policies cloaked as "inclusive and tolerant".

It about time to call a spade a spade, this mess lives from people silently going along with it while hiding the angry fist in the pocket.

Do you you think that I am ever quiet?   The best response is the adapting and support of the forked project.  It is never productive to engage in name calling and forming witch hunts in an otherwise productive environment.

These social warriors want to lynch me and kill my children.  It still doesn't belong HERE.

And more that a few antisemitic bigots have stalked me HERE, and it would be appreciated if folks did not make the Artix forum a comfortable place for them to spout off their hateful bigotry.  I respect your efforts to protect digital freedoms, and to benevolent efforts to help people, and chose not to inflame this thread further. as that is the first and last I will say here on the topic.

Re: X11 as a political dispute

Reply #42 –
Quote from: mrbrklyn – on

Do you you think that I ever am quiet.   The best response is the adapting and support of the forked project.  It is never productive to engage in name calling and forming witch hunts in an otherwise productive environment.

These social warriors want to lynch me and kill my children.  It still doesn't belong HERE.

I have no idea what you are on about.
You will definitely not dictate my opinion.

Re: X11 as a political dispute

Reply #43 –
Quote from: jackie777 – on
Im with you mrbrklyn  i wish Politics is gone the world is better place without Politics even now bsd doing werid stuff, and im not political never will be i just want artix linux to be political-free and only talk about software, freedom, privacy, security, thats all i want, and  everyone listen i want you to try to quit Politics you will feel much better person and happy lets only talk about positive things pls i love everybody in this forum  "nous" "Artist" "cds" "mrbrklyn" "corysanin" "Dudemanguy"  "gripped" :-* .

By requesting for some discussion to stop or to steer it in another direction, you are in fact making political request, no matter the dressing. If you don't like it, healthy thing would be to stay away from topics you don't like, or report them to the mods (bottom-right -> More... -> Report Post).

For instance, I have huge problem with Styrofoam, can't stand the thing, especially screech sound it makes. If it ever happens that some topic here starts about Styrofoam or gets derailed into Styrofoam direction, I would make sure not to touch it at all. Even mentioning the thing makes me sick, so why would I bravely but foolishly stay with the discussion I don't like (or understand)?

Re: X11 as a political dispute

Reply #44 –
Quote from: dpx – on
Quote from: jackie777 – on
Im with you mrbrklyn  i wish Politics is gone the world is better place without Politics even now bsd doing werid stuff, and im not political never will be i just want artix linux to be political-free and only talk about software, freedom, privacy, security, thats all i want, and  everyone listen i want you to try to quit Politics you will feel much better person and happy lets only talk about positive things pls i love everybody in this forum  "nous" "Artist" "cds" "mrbrklyn" "corysanin" "Dudemanguy"  "gripped" :-* .

By requesting for some discussion to stop or to steer it in another direction, you are in fact making political request, no matter the dressing. If you don't like it, healthy thing would be to stay away from topics you don't like, or report them to the mods (bottom-right -> More... -> Report Post).

For instance, I have huge problem with Styrofoam, can't stand the thing, especially screech sound it makes. If it ever happens that some topic here starts about Styrofoam or gets derailed into Styrofoam direction, I would make sure not to touch it at all. Even mentioning the thing makes me sick, so why would I bravely but foolishly stay with the discussion I don't like (or understand)?


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