Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: phoenix_king_rus on 20 June 2019, 12:29:49
Maybe i didn't read attentively enough, but i didn't find if these articles contain any info about EMF frequencies used in researches. Without that such conclusions may be wrong Even if EMF really affects humans health, human can adapt to it
Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: Schpankme on 20 June 2019, 13:10:41
Note: Sprouts grow toward the light source, nothing is effecting them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiASgl5J-4Q
Just encase this turns to 5G the invisible killer:
5G covers 600-700 MHz bands and the 50 GHz millimeter-wave end of the spectrum. 850 MHz was the first cellular band in the US.
The FCC cellular assignments in the US utilize the following frequency bands:
600 MHz (5G Re-Packed TV Channels) 700 MHz (5G Former Analog TV Channels) 850 MHz (4G Cellular Channels)
FCC Frees Up More Money for TV Station Re-pack In 1996, within the US, they saw the final push to Digital Television (Cable) so that more than 1,500 cities in 37 states and Puerto Rico could "re-pack" into 5G Cellular using the currently allocated TV frequencies. That's twenty three years (23) it took to complete the, "Transition Scheduling Plan and the Commission’s rules, procedures, and systems are operating as designed and anticipated." ~ said, the Incentive Auction Task Force and Media Bureau
"According to National Association of Broadcasters the FCC was authorized to repack the television band by assigning television stations to new channels."
Why use 600-700 MHz? These signals penetrate buildings and walls easily and to cover larger geographic areas with less infrastructure (relative to frequencies in higher bands).
600-700 MHz, Television bands, OK?
600-700 MHz, 5G bands, "invisible killers"?
Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: Dudemanguy on 20 June 2019, 15:27:51
No this scare over 5g is retarded. People have been bombarded with radio waves for over a century and microwaves (where wifi/4g/etc signals reside) for many decades. Electormagnetic waves in that frequency are nowhere close to causing ionizing radiation. In fact, visible light has more energy so go hide in a closet or something. Here's a handy chart. Note that the energy levels are the highest at the top (gamma rays) and decrease as you go down.
Electormagnetic waves in that frequency are nowhere close to causing ionizing radiation. In fact, visible light has more energy so go hide in a closet or something.
That is true, however, 5G produces non ionizing radiation, and human have never been before exposed to such microwaves. The US military runs so called ADS systems, active denial system, a 5G weapon system. Even the useless WHO have by now updated their list of carcinogens, it incudes 5G non ionizing radiation. It has bad effects on nature, wildlife, insects, and humans.
A common misconception is, that 5G would be the successor to 4G. This is absolutely false, 5G is a different technology, a millimeter wave weapon that is. Whit all the Huawei booha, its a welcome distraction from actually discussing this 5G weapon, no matter if it is Chinese or US weapon.
Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: Schpankme on 20 June 2019, 16:00:41
Let me suggest that you have never seen plant life die off around Cell Towers; I've been using 5G since 2015, my 5G antenna is line-of-site with the Tower less than one mile away; no where between my location, and the woods that separate me from the cell tower has plant life been effected.
5G (700 MHz) is the Analog TV Channels you used for 60+ years.
Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: Dudemanguy on 20 June 2019, 16:12:03
A cell tower has a fairly high magnetic field. Of course it's not safe to stand around one for a long period of time. That's totally different though.
The 5G crap I don't believe is worse than any other run of the mill electromagnetic wave. At least not until someone can actually explain a mechanism behind why I should be so scared of it.
There have been a number of media stories this week about a major threat to weather prediction: the sale of electromagnetic spectrum for new 5G cellphone service. The problem is that some of the wavelengths being auctioned off for 5G are critical for an important class of weather satellites, with 5G signals potentially undermining our ability to forecast the weather.
Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: artoo on 20 June 2019, 16:38:33
Bad enough, but nothing compared to pulsing energy like 5G does. Note, 5G is not the technical successor to 3 & 4G. It share the G in the name, but that's all.
5G is millimeter waves, its why they have to pop up every few meters towers and why they can't use the old infrastructure. A "smart meter" in your house is exponentially more harmful that a wifi router that doesn't do 5G. 5G pulses several times a second highly energetic data packets, no comparison to 4G. and thats just the health aspects, surveillance, indeed behavior alteration and actually 'kill target' is another topic with 5G not many want to discuss.
Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: Dudemanguy on 20 June 2019, 16:57:15
Bad enough, but nothing compared to pulsing energy like 5G does. Note, 5G is not the technical successor to 3 & 4G. It share the G in the name, but that's all.
5G is millimeter waves, its why they have to pop up every few meters towers and why they can't use the old infrastructure. A "smart meter" in your house is exponentially more harmful that a wifi router that doesn't do 5G. 5G pulses several times a second highly energetic data packets, no comparison to 4G. and thats just the health aspects, surveillance, indeed behavior alteration and actually 'kill target' is another topic with 5G not many want to discuss.
I'm not claiming 5G is a technical successor or anything. A millimeter wave will penetrate less than longer wavelengths anyway, so if there is any internal harm it should be less than whatever it was before. I don't believe a pulsed wave vs a continuous wave is relevant. Nor is it accurate to describe them as "highly energetic." Your lighbulb is more energetic.
Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: phoenix_king_rus on 20 June 2019, 17:09:47
No this scare over 5g is retarded. People have been bombarded with radio waves for over a century and microwaves (where wifi/4g/etc signals reside) for many decades. Electormagnetic waves in that frequency are nowhere close to causing ionizing radiation. In fact, visible light has more energy so go hide in a closet or something. Here's a handy chart. Note that the energy levels are the highest at the top (gamma rays) and decrease as you go down.
Although i generally agree with you, low-power radiation with frequencies below UV can possibly be dangerous if gets resonant with some of molecules in human body. So, for me this question lowers to if there are sorts of molecules which have resonant frequencies on wifi frequencies (unless there is some else mysterious mechanism of EMF influence on matter)
Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: phoenix_king_rus on 20 June 2019, 17:14:12
Although i generally agree with you, low-power radiation with frequencies below UV can possibly be dangerous if gets resonant with some of molecules in human body. So, for me this question lowers to if there are sorts of molecules which have resonant frequencies on wifi frequencies (unless there is some else mysterious mechanism of EMF influence on matter)
Well yes this is basically what would happen if you were inside a big microwave oven. Obviously, that would be really bad and unpleasant since you would experience dielectric heating. Your body has tons of water, water molecules are dipoles, so in an electric field they will rotate/vibrate which creates heat. Wifi, cell phones, etc. technically do the same thing (electric field + you having water), just at a much smaller scale.
Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: cynicfm on 20 June 2019, 19:30:48
For some time i have lived on my own in a flat, however i was wondering why do i look so shit if i dont smoke?? Whats wrong, i have good diet??
So i read on internet about wifi electromagnetic waves and on the laptop it discovered about 8 routers of neighbours each one generating electromagnetic waves so i felt like this is killing me so i escaped from it and i am worried that being in city or whatever where wifi routers are like everywhere is really bad for us too... The worst thing is going to sleep with smartphone connected to wifi just by us... Glad i dont have smartphoone
Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: Schpankme on 21 June 2019, 03:04:00
5G is not the technical successor to 3 & 4G. It share the G in the name, but that's all.
5G is the old Analog TV Channels that has been used for 60+ years. The TV Broadcasting Stations received new channels and 5G operates on their old TV Channels.
Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: artoo on 21 June 2019, 07:54:46
Heh, I didn't know the frequencies were so close to each other. Stupid FCC.
I'm not claiming 5G is a technical successor or anything. A millimeter wave will penetrate less than longer wavelengths anyway, so if there is any internal harm it should be less than whatever it was before. I don't believe a pulsed wave vs a continuous wave is relevant. Nor is it accurate to describe them as "highly energetic." Your lighbulb is more energetic.
Well, 5G is military technology, a weapon they want to install at your home, it is that simple. Millimeter waves do cause damage, US military dub these "non lethal". However, it is a matter of energy input to make it lethal.
Insects near millimeter wave radars tend to synchronize and move as "ballet", this stuff directly interferes with nature's frequencies.
My point is, 5G is something human beings have not been exposed before,and its gonna be a health disaster if every corner is covered with this. The shady roll out practices, basically trying to pressure and enforce it at your home, is what should make everyone suspicious. Tell me a better word to use than energetic, a 5W Laser will burn you a hole in the bum, a 5W light bulb is hardly enough to read a book at night. So what's the difference? Light coherency, it is the same with 5G.
Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: Schpankme on 21 June 2019, 12:23:45
5G was in your homes for 60+ years called Analog Broadcasting Television.
Today, it is called 5G and that TV has been miniaturized and (the boob tube) resides in your hand, almost everyone rich and poor has the Mobile device.
Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: Dudemanguy on 21 June 2019, 15:50:42
Well, 5G is military technology, a weapon they want to install at your home, it is that simple. Millimeter waves do cause damage, US military dub these "non lethal". However, it is a matter of energy input to make it lethal.
Insects near millimeter wave radars tend to synchronize and move as "ballet", this stuff directly interferes with nature's frequencies.
My point is, 5G is something human beings have not been exposed before,and its gonna be a health disaster if every corner is covered with this. The shady roll out practices, basically trying to pressure and enforce it at your home, is what should make everyone suspicious. Tell me a better word to use than energetic, a 5W Laser will burn you a hole in the bum, a 5W light bulb is hardly enough to read a book at night. So what's the difference? Light coherency, it is the same with 5G.
I'm not interested in entertaining baseless conspiracies. There doesn't need to be some kind of hidden agenda behind the 5G marketing hype other than "making more money." A broadcasting frequency is not at all coherent like a laser is. Trying to equate the two is silly.
Also, Schpankme is right. Much of the analog TV broadcasting frequencies occupy the same frequencies 5G does.
For some time i have lived on my own in a flat, however i was wondering why do i look so shit if i dont smoke?? Whats wrong, i have good diet??
So i read on internet about wifi electromagnetic waves and on the laptop it discovered about 8 routers of neighbours each one generating electromagnetic waves so i felt like this is killing me so i escaped from it and i am worried that being in city or whatever where wifi routers are like everywhere is really bad for us too... The worst thing is going to sleep with smartphone connected to wifi just by us... Glad i dont have smartphoone
It's almost certainly the poor quality air in the city. Poor air does affect your health negatively. This is well documented.
Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: ####### on 21 June 2019, 16:50:10
I saw an example of fasciation, a flattened deformed growing tip, develop in one shoot of a hedge by my CB antenna. (That was a more powerful output though.) Coincidence - perhaps, but observed fact - yes.
Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: Seventh on 21 June 2019, 17:08:50
5G is the old Analog TV Channels that has been used for 60+ years. The TV Broadcasting Stations received new channels and 5G operates on their old TV Channels.
Yes and TV is an insidious mind controlling device i tend to stay away from. Artoo has already pointed out the 5G being rolled out is a new technology for wifi and the IoT.
Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: Rain-Dodger on 12 June 2020, 05:57:34
Electormagnetic waves in that frequency are nowhere close to causing ionizing radiation. In fact, visible light has more energy so go hide in a closet or something.
Very true. I used to work at a grocery store and there was a lady who would come in sometimes. She would always use the self-serve checkout but would vehemently refuse to scan any of the products with the infrared barcode scanner because "it will make the food radioactive" or some crap. Instead, she would manually type the number beneath the barcode into the checkout computer - for every product she was buying.
The thing is that the barcode scanner uses infrared radiation, which has a relatively long wavelength. UV light, which is in sunlight, has a significantly shorter wavelength - yet she had no problems with walking in direct sunlight after exiting the store.
And even if the barcode scanner used gamma rays for some reason, it wouldn't make the food "radioactive" because that's not how radioactivity works - unless the food already had heavy elements in it like Uranium-238, in which case it may undergo nuclear fission after the barcode was scanned and turn into Uranium-235. But (normal) food doesn't have heavy elements like that in it so even if you bombarded it with gamma rays, all it would do is heat it up and make it very, very sterile.
tl;dr sunlight (UV light has always had and continues to have the shortest wavelength of any radiation you will be likely to come into contact with in normal day-to-day life.
Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: ####### on 15 June 2020, 21:22:26
"RF fields above 10 GHz are absorbed at the skin surface, with very little of the energy penetrating into the underlying tissues." "At present, there is no substantive evidence that adverse health effects, including cancer, can occur in people exposed to RF levels at or below the limits set by international standards. However, more research is needed to fill certain gaps in knowledge."
It's the "more research" bit which raises valid questions I think. If you climb a ship's mast and stick your head next to the radar antenna you will microwave your brain and die, this is well known. The exact effect of low doses over a prolonged period is unknown, also are particular frequencies worse than others? String theory suggests all matter is composed of vibrating strings of energy, which ties in with E=MC2, the potential for energy and matter to be interchangeable. So if you apply an energy field to the carefully ordered energy you imagine to be your physical self it could have an effect - but it might not!
Title: Re: wi-fi = radiomagnetic waves that kill us??
Post by: phoenix_king_rus on 16 June 2020, 08:40:30
https://www.who.int/peh-emf/publications/facts/fs226/en/ (https://www.who.int/peh-emf/publications/facts/fs226/en/) are particular frequencies worse than others
Some may be worse: different frequencies are absorbed differently. Also certain frequencies are resonant with some components of body tissues making the effect stronger. But the word "certain" is crucial here