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hi,
please try to start by typing here some relevant information related to your computer , read  https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,1923.0.html specially if it's a HW problem...

if your system freeze at bootup, how he can run lightdm? it freeze at bootup or at login?? please clarify (precise) your problem please.

nice logs, no error, nothing failed, nothing to indicate any problems (in dmesg and X.org)  :-)
newest BIOS too ;-)
 
If I understand correctly, will your system freeze during boot without often reach to login manager?
what do you use for init?

Yes, it freezes before I reach the login manager. I use Runit for init, hence why I posted it in the Runit forum.

runit... ok, that I overlooked :D

so no services even start when it freezes? (I want to rule out that some services would freeze / have a delay) that it's really a HW problem....

can you try boot system from our (live) ISO or boot to another live ISO? if your computer boot normally from ISO several times in a row , it should be no HW error. Can be kernel issue, or another SW issue, but no HW issue (if booting without freezing). by excluding HW issue we can focus on finding SW issue

that sound like pure sw problem.
as first I would replace lightdm with something else (gdm / sddm), lightdm seems to be problematic not only in your case...
what for DE/WM you use?

EDIT: Alright, just played around with the packaged display managers a bit, and I could only get LXDM to work properly, which I don't really like. Is there any guide to just turning off the display manager and simply being given the neofetch screen and login prompt by default, and having startx run by itself afterwards?

I'm using the setup you described (tty + startx), it's the best, the least bloated and the fastest. You need to stop your DM's service (depends on your init system - I use s6), prevent it from starting upon login, then edit ~/.bash_profile to call startx if running a login shell. For example, I have (also killing gpg-agent upon login):

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shopt -q login_shell && $(pkill gpg; startx)

And that's enough? Also, what if I want to switch to another shell, will it carry over?

Yes, that is enough. The code I posted is Bash-specific. If you use some other shell, you need to adjust it to your shell. The gist is to call startx if the shell is a login shell (and not, for example, run in a terminal emulator like xterm).

I couldn't even get startx to run by running it manually. I had to reinstall lxdm-runit to be able to get into x again.

And that's enough? Also, what if I want to switch to another shell, will it carry over?

Using OpenRC you need to create an .xinitrc entry to start the desktop too.

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~/.xinitrc:
exec startxfce4

This indicates a problem with Xorg. Properly installed X should be able to be run without a DM. It is strange that you could get into X with lxdm. I could theorize that probably when you reinstalled lxdm pacman picked up some missing dependency and installed it. Aside from providing your X log at the time when you failed to start X by the command startx, you should now try to just disable the service, without uninstalling the lxdm package and then try to run startx again.

The  xinit  program  is  used  to start the X Window System server and a first client program on systems that are not using a display manager such as xdm(1) or in environments that use multiple window systems.  When this first
       client exits, xinit will kill the X server and then terminate.

       If no specific client program is given on the command line, xinit will look for a file in the user's home directory called .xinitrc to run as a shell script to start up client programs.  If no such file exists, xinit will  use
       the following as a default:

            xterm  -geometry  +1+1  -n  login  -display  :0

       If no specific server program is given on the command line, xinit will look for a file in the user's home directory called .xserverrc to run as a shell script to start up the server.  If no such file exists, xinit will use the
       following as a default:

            X  :0

       Note that this assumes that there is a program named X in the current search path.  The site administrator should, therefore, make a link to the appropriate type of server on the machine, or create a  shell  script  that  runs
       xinit with the appropriate server.

The manpage for xinit(1) states:
The file /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc, as well as ~/.xinitrc, is just an ordinary shell script. If there is no ~/.xinitrc, the one in /etc gets executed by X when it starts without a display manager. The default contents of a /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc is this:

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#!/bin/sh

userresources=$HOME/.Xresources
usermodmap=$HOME/.Xmodmap
sysresources=/etc/X11/xinit/.Xresources
sysmodmap=/etc/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap

# merge in defaults and keymaps

if [ -f $sysresources ]; then







    xrdb -merge $sysresources

fi

if [ -f $sysmodmap ]; then
    xmodmap $sysmodmap
fi

if [ -f "$userresources" ]; then







    xrdb -merge "$userresources"

fi

if [ -f "$usermodmap" ]; then
    xmodmap "$usermodmap"
fi

# start some nice programs

if [ -d /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d ] ; then
 for f in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/?*.sh ; do
  [ -x "$f" ] && . "$f"
 done
 unset f
fi

twm &
xclock -geometry 50x50-1+1 &
xterm -geometry 80x50+494+51 &
xterm -geometry 80x20+494-0 &
exec xterm -geometry 80x66+0+0 -name login

As you can see, there is a number of lines near the bottom which call programs which might not be installed in your system. Those are:

• twm window manager
• xclock application
• xterm terminal emulator

What to do? You either have your own ~/.xinitrc, which conveniently just overrides all this nonsense from /etc, or simply comment out those lines calling the nonexistant programs and put some Xorg program as the last line, preceeded by exec. Alternatively, you could also install xorg-twm, xorg-xclock and xterm packages to get no error, but start those programs by xinitrc when you run startx. I also use dwm globally on my system, so I have exec dwm as the last line there. I haven't used lxde yet as my "daily driver", nor feel the need to in the future, so I'm afraid I can't help you with specifically setting it up to start without a DM. It could be as simple as putting exec lxde (or whatever the program to start lxde is called) to the end of xinitrc.

This reminded me, I might take the time and write a guide on how to set up Xorg to start dwm without a display manager.

Now every issue is resolved, besides the fact that I need to press enter once on the login screen before typing in my info since it gives me some message about a wpa supplicant, but that's small potatoes. I declare this issue solved at this point now that I'm finally free from lxdm. Thank you!