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Reply #15 –
The list on http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page may be of use @kenny_w.

I will mention that parabola has armv7h support and openrc, but no openrc armv7h install media yet. You would have to convert the systemd armv7h install to openrc.

It uses libre-kernels primarily though, and that might be no fun. Of course, you can download non-libre and compile your own. I mostly mention it because it is arch derived.

Void and Alpine are awesome. A minor nitpick on Void's package naming scheme. (They throw, to me at least, random capitals in package names which hampers searches with "xbps-query -Rs" due to the case sensitivity of the search.) Alpine has a smaller collection of packages in their repos, but very solid and security oriented. You can still compile your packages, just not as assisted as with a AUR equivalent.

A bit sideways are BSD's, in particular openbsd if you really like openrc as your init. Or maybe freebsd and/or derivatives. Bad side, aside from being foreign and have less hardware support than gnu/Linux, is they have tended to be behind in getting advisories from companies. The recent meltdown/spectre vulnerabilities come to mind. That and the recent FreeBSD change of Code of Conduct that has torn the FreeBSD community asunder.

I hope as we stabilize our Artix repos and get Arch's extra, community, and multilib repositories out of our systems, we will branch out to other architectures.

Edit: It is too bad that the Ryzen Mobile ultrabooks and netbooks haven't proliferated much yet. The Acer Swift  and the HP Envy (AMD) are x3 the price or more and don't include cellular capability. I wonder if well made and affordable netbooks will be sold soon. Then you could get the battery, X86_64, and Artix.

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Reply #16 –
Quote from: fungalnet – on
This may not be an alternative within the financial parameters but it claims open architecture, which to me says that anything will eventually run on it.  Maybe too early in development but interesting to keep in mind https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena



Those are ARM? Have you seen the Pinebooks?! They're only $89 USD for 11.6 inch and $99 USD for 14 inch.......... they still have 14 inch ones in stock, but I really want a 11.6 inch one. Those few inches make a big difference.

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Reply #17 –
Quote from: ᒤᕞᕹᓸ – on

A bit sideways are BSD's, in particular openbsd if you really like openrc as your init. Or maybe freebsd and/or derivatives. Bad side, aside from being foreign and have less hardware support than gnu/Linux, is they have tended to be behind in getting advisories from companies. The recent meltdown/spectre vulnerabilities come to mind. That and the recent FreeBSD change of Code of Conduct that has torn the FreeBSD community asunder.


I know this is a little bit off-topic, but...

I would like it if everyone felt welcome in the Linux/BSD community, I think politics is no good for our cause, but I think a point needs to be made to remove any illusions predicated on misconceptions, and the misconception in question is that free software=socialism/communism, which couldn't be further from the truth in all honesty! So let's define these words:

Socialism/communism:
The INVOLUNTARY trade of goods/services.

Capitalism:
The VOLUNTARY trade of goods/services.

Free / open-source software agreements like the Linux license:
A VOLUNTARY contract for sharing intellectual goods.

I think Voluntarism & not forcing people to do things is what we should ALL aim for as human beings, we should NEVER force anyone into doing anything because using force is often times extremely immoral, after all, do any of us enjoy when we are forced to comply with something? I certainly don't like the idea of forcing people to do things!

"Geek feminism" to me sounds like some identity politics nonsense that would probably destroy any kind of meritocracy.
Definition:
"Geek Feminism is an umbrella term for a range of activities and efforts around women in geek communities which are explicitly feminist."
 
So... uh.... FreeBSD is now "Geek feminism" ??? Feminists have this habit of destroying meritocracy by not hiring the best person for the job but instead hiring whatever minority/gender is lacking, for example in the US & Canada we have laws like "Affirmative Action" & "Employment Equity" which literally disadvantages you as a white or east-asian man, meaning you have to achieve a higher grade-point average to pass the same class an african or hispanic man/woman can pass with a far lower GPA, in my opinion THAT is "systemic racism". No one should be judged based on their race & that is why I ultimately disagree with "feminists" as they call themselves, and to make matters worse there are laws around employment here too!  In South Africa where whites are being genocided, whites are only allowed to be 8% of any business because they're only 8% of the population, that's evil & horribly wrong.

FreeBSD will probably go horribly bad if this "geek feminism" policy dominates it.

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Reply #18 –
Quote from: ᒤᕞᕹᓸ – on

I hope as we stabilize our Artix repos and get Arch's extra, community, and multilib repositories out of our systems, we will branch out to other architectures.



A slight criticism here.
Who is this "we"? seriously, this group we think is nothing I love.

"We" as a team is valid from my point of view, that is the artix dev team, not users.
A user would become part of "we" the artix team, if he contributed, maintained whatever.

simply said, I draw a line between artix team and users, and that is also necessary, frankly.

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Reply #19 –
I bought a Lenovo Thinkpad X130e   :D :D :D
Was only $200 used! Its x86_64 & takes an actual 2.5 inch hard drive :P

Quote from: artoo – on

A slight criticism here.
Who is this "we"? seriously, this group we think is nothing I love.

"We" as a team is valid from my point of view, that is the artix dev team, not users.
A user would become part of "we" the artix team, if he contributed, maintained whatever.

simply said, I draw a line between artix team and users, and that is also necessary, frankly.

I'd contribute if I knew how, still learning though. Maybe one day!

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Reply #20 –
Socialism/communism:
The INVOLUNTARY trade of goods/services.

Not at all, Socialism / Communism = a system based around society / the community working for the common good.

From the Communist party manifesto in the 1800's
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm

These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.
Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.

So you see many of those goals have already been implemented in most countries, you are probably already living in a quite Communist state but hadn't realized.  ;D

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Reply #21 –
There's a specific subforum (called off-topic) for any political talk. Please use it.

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Reply #22 –
Quote from: nous – on
There's a specific subforum (called off-topic) for any political talk. Please use it.

If you would care to move all political statements/comments into such a thread I would gladly participate but from the one hand I respect this practice on the other hand the "team" has to respect it as well.
Starting with @artoo 's  comment this is a "political" conversation.
I find it very unfair team members to enjoy the freedom to break away from a topic and make political statements and users to be prohibited to respond.

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Reply #23 –
1st, my message wasn't addressed to anyone specifically but to all equally.

2nd, artoo's comment wasn't political (in my POV); perhaps just a little blunt but nevertheless true: "we stabilize our repos" is what, techically, repo maintainers do - not users. Users reap the fruits of developers' labour and occasionally get stung by thorns, which they may or may not report. Being just a user is not derogative in any way, it's a different level of participation and contribution.

3rd, the dev team has grown a little since the beginning but they're still stretched thin around different parts of the project (i.e. konimex is busy with runit et al), part-timers, struggling to catch up with upstream's pace.  Glitches are bound to happen, keep your package cache full until the update proves successful.

4th, we'd still be here without the users' donations but our infrastructure would be inferior and the overall experience worse (as in popup ads or 200-pageview limits in "free hosting" solutions). Therefore we are grateful to those who have donated and continue to donate, and I'm not speaking just of the dev team but of our entire community. Now, why drive people away by engaging in fruitless political discussions on a purely technical forum?