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How do you set your ip address?

connman
[ 1 ] (10%)
networkmanager
[ 6 ] (60%)
ifupdown
[ 0 ] (0%)
iproute
[ 0 ] (0%)
through DE GUI
[ 1 ] (10%)
netifrc
[ 2 ] (20%)
dhcpcd
[ 0 ] (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Topic: ip address configuration census. (Read 12564 times) previous topic - next topic
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Re: ip address configuration census.

Reply #15 –
Quote from: mrbrklyn – on
I agree with you, fundamentally, though.  Part of the problem is that networks are being set up without basic understanding of network mechanics or nomenclature.

Yeah. It's not difficult(basic networking), but it has a lot of concepts that one needs to digest. Even the concepts themselves are not difficult. It's just a lot. I've been trying to come up with a short resource material that's easy to digest and just enough for basic static ip config, but I'm contemplating if I should include in layer 2 as well. For layer 3 I'm thinking of just about understanding the structure of ip addresses (binary, ipv4 addressing structure, ipv4 subnetting(classful and CIDR), ipv4 address classes, and private ipv4 addresses) and basic routing.

Quote from: mrbrklyn – on
It really leaves the end use in the dark about an essential part of their system that they use every day and are completely dependent on.

A home network now can have 10 devices on it, 5 of them dynamic ip's on wireless, and those cheap shit routers people depend on completely suck, especially the ones assigned you from the ISP.
Jack of all trades, master of none device. Router, switch, and access point all in one, but locked down and stripped down of features. Can't even do port forwarding in some.

Quote from: mrbrklyn – on
and then there is the whole issue of IP6.
I like ipv6. Finally no cg-nat. Can host your own servers without needing to pay extra. But yeah, it's a different beast.

Re: ip address configuration census.

Reply #17 –
Quote from: mrbrklyn – on
http://www.nylxs.com/docs/gnu_linux1.c4-5correct.pdf

See the networking section toward the end..

Have read it. It's a good baseline on what to teach on. I will use that as a reference baseline.

'Cause initially, I was thinking on expanding on what I now think that is more than necessary. And your reference point has helped me find the sweet spot.

Thank you.

Re: ip address configuration census.

Reply #19 –
What would of helped me was a translation of concepts like set interface as "UP" without the init trying to do anything to set it up. In Debian which I used for over a decade this is easy, but not sure how OpenRC does this. I also don't see where to set static IPs, or how to change the default interfaces to deterministic naming.

Don't get me wrong. I knew perfectly well jumping to a new OS would be a lot to relearn again. I'm also quite pleased with the change.

Re: ip address configuration census.

Reply #20 –
I recently switched to OpenRC's Netifrc modules (wpa_supplicant included), in an attempt to return to a slimmed-down minimalist setup where I maximize the usage of tried and true tools to do multiple tasks without bogging down my system with trash I'll never use... Also to decouple myself from more of the lunatic FreeDesktop interconnection. This was after the recent crap-out with xfce4 that had been fixed...
 

Re: ip address configuration census.

Reply #21 –
None of the proposed ones, using dhcpcd instead (even for wireless since I used wpa_supplicant to hook to the ssid and dhcpcd to get the IP assigned)

Re: ip address configuration census.

Reply #22 –
Quote from: kixik – on
None of the proposed ones, using dhcpcd instead (even for wireless since I used wpa_supplicant to hook to the ssid and dhcpcd to get the IP assigned)
Added dhcpcd to the list. Classic, yet I forgot to add.


Quote from: K0rpZ0uth – on
I recently switched to OpenRC's Netifrc modules (wpa_supplicant included), in an attempt to return to a slimmed-down minimalist setup where I maximize the usage of tried and true tools to do multiple tasks without bogging down my system with trash I'll never use... Also to decouple myself from more of the lunatic FreeDesktop interconnection. This was after the recent crap-out with xfce4 that had been fixed...

Same reason for me, but I took a different approach.


Quote from: Ed – on
What would of helped me was a translation of concepts like set interface as "UP" without the init trying to do anything to set it up. In Debian which I used for over a decade this is easy, but not sure how OpenRC does this. I also don't see where to set static IPs, or how to change the default interfaces to deterministic naming.

Don't get me wrong. I knew perfectly well jumping to a new OS would be a lot to relearn again. I'm also quite pleased with the change.
You will probably need to disable your network manager's service, and/or just uninstall the network manager.

I don't know if this will help but lemme shill my iproute2 guide:
https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,8609.0.html
A guide to do a full manual network config, including on setting the interfaces UP/DOWN without network managers.
Although this guide only covers IPv4. IPv6 is a whole different beast and requires a guide on its own but fortunately IPv6 has SLAAC (ipv6 auto configuration). So I don't have to make a guide for it.


As for the network interface card naming scheme, I assume you meant something like eth0 name reported by the iproute2 command:
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 # You can shorten this with: ip l
$ ip link
eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 12:34:56:78:9A:BC brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff

I think that has to do with udev. A quick search confirmed it for me. It also seems that you can change it. But I have not tried changing mine, so I can't give you answers.

Re: ip address configuration census.

Reply #23 –
I'll read your guide, thanks!