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Re: LXQt nm-applet missing

Reply #15 –
I thank you
libstatgrab allowed me to add the network monitor applet.

But the applet does not let me configure my network, nor the wifi

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personally I'd just wipe the lot and start again from the sound of your pc, but never having the wi-fi working even on a live boot on the jan .iso) kind of flags a firmware issue for your card to me - do you know what it is?
You can see above (reply #6) I built the firmware for it , and I think it is installed correctly. But I am open to the idea I did it wrong.
I also see it flash, as it does when the driver is working on ClearLinux.

But I could be wrong.

I am loath to wipe and redo, as I have several configurations like SSH that I did not keep track of, and am sure to miss on a reload.

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Personally, i keep a cheat sheet when installing/configuring a new install, otherwise those commands that don't work begin to get lost in the ones that do - that way if and when i need to reinstall, i can just copy and paste down the list and it all goes smoothly and quickly too (and cleanly!)
About my third reinstall I started doing that, but did not keep it up with all the changes.

But if that is the only way to fix my wifi, I guess I'll have to.

Is there a known set of things I should back up to make recovery easy?

Re: LXQt nm-applet missing

Reply #18 –
i really don't think that is the problem - my reasoning for that is that I just live booted the stable .iso (albeit for dinit) and nothing required to add to the wi-fi network for this thinkpad, so I'm assuming the only difference is just the init, which shouldn't make a difference, and the chip, for which mine is a realtech 8822.    But when you live boot, you cannot connect to wi-fi from the live boot, so i'm pretty much out of idea's.  Sorry.

Re: LXQt nm-applet missing

Reply #19 –
I am not arguing that netmanger CANNOT work.

It is obviously misconfigured/missing a component/whatever.

I just figured if I could replace it with something that works, then, it would work.

Re: LXQt nm-applet missing

Reply #20 –
okay....on a live boot, can you connect to wi-fi?   If the answers "no", its not a little widget thats the problem but  points more to firmware etc - otherwise this or indeed 2 other machines I tried this afternoon would not be able to connect either without adding "a missing component" too either.   As an aside, seriously, i can't remember the last time i installed anything linux without verifying wi-fi connections first for obvious reasons! 

Re: LXQt nm-applet missing

Reply #21 –
Quote from: gavincc – on
okay....on a live boot, can you connect to wi-fi? 
I do not know much, but I do not see how my wifi could work on a live CD?

If one needs to build a driver for the wifi to work and install it on a standard install, then, i assume, i would need to do that with for the live CD.
How do i do that with a live CD?

I mean another option is to have them include the drive on the live CD, but I do not see that happening.

Quote from: gavincc – on
If the answers "no", its not a little widget thats the problem but  points more to firmware etc - otherwise this or indeed 2 other machines I tried this afternoon would not be able to connect either without adding "a missing component" too either.  
You mean you tried it on machines that had wifi drivers that were included with the live CD?

Did you try it on any machines that did not have the correct wifi driver on the live CD?
But I tried it. i downloaded a weekly, 30May, and booted it. The panel crashed right out to a error message and blank screen on boot.

I happened to have a 06Mar, which booted, but it did not have a driver. I started to update it, then i realized, any updates were useless.
Quote from: gavincc – on
As an aside, seriously, i can't remember the last time i installed anything linux without verifying wi-fi connections first for obvious reasons! 
I just assume I need a hardline, will have to update, and then fight with the wifi.

Re: LXQt nm-applet missing

Reply #22 –
good, glad you see it - besides i was only trying to help and steer you away from an alternative to nm which would be fruitless  because you have another issue behind it.   maybe the aircrack you install didn't completely uninstall, maybe the updated firmware ver is the answer - either way, there's a selection of 4 for that chip, and we know one certainly doesn't work, one is orphaned so that leaves two - the time taken on this thread is a lot longer than the time to do a clean install, twice if necessary, just saying.   And with that, I shall leave it.  Goodnight,  G

https://aur.archlinux.org/packages?O=0&SeB=nd&K=rtl8812au&outdated=&SB=p&SO=d&PP=50&submit=Go

Re: LXQt nm-applet missing

Reply #25 –
I've skimmed through this thread and unless I'm mistaken I've not seen dmesg (or the kernel.log) mentioned.
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sudo dmesg
will show you all the the devices setup at at boot and since.
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sudo dmesg >~/dmesg.txt
will place a text file with it all in your home dir for easier searching.
If your device is a dongle remove and reinsert and you should find some messages relating to your device right at the end if you run dmesg again.
Post them.
Also search dmesg for any errors, especially relating to firmware.
For the time being consider downgrading to the most recent lts kernel
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sudo pacman -Syu linux-lts linux-lts-headers
When the kernel goes up a point release, as it very recently did, this can sometimes cause compile and other issues with 'out of tree' drivers. Which from my skim I guess yours is ?

Re: LXQt nm-applet missing

Reply #26 –
sudo dmesg >~/dmesg.txt

sudo dmesg >~/dmesgreinsert.txt

@gripped if dmesg has no errors, is there a need for downgrading the kernel?

Re: LXQt nm-applet missing

Reply #27 –
Quote from: n00b – on
sudo dmesg >~/dmesgreinsert.txt
Cheers.
No driver is being loaded. After
Quote
[17910.174800] usb 8-1.1.1: USB disconnect, device number 4
[17912.803089] usb 8-1.1.1: new high-speed USB device number 5 using xhci_hcd
[17912.946779] usb 8-1.1.1: New USB device found, idVendor=0bda, idProduct=8812, bcdDevice= 0.00
[17912.946792] usb 8-1.1.1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[17912.946797] usb 8-1.1.1: Product: 802.11n NIC
[17912.946801] usb 8-1.1.1: Manufacturer: Realtek
[17912.946804] usb 8-1.1.1: SerialNumber: 123456
There should be some messages with the actual driver / kernel module setting up the device.
With a device name like wlan0 or wlp5s0 or fairly similar.
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ip link show
will list all your network devices
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cat /proc/net/wireless
should list your wireless network devices (I haven't used wifi on my pc in years so no expert)
So the other posters are right, no working driver. You need to keep trying to build a working driver from the AUR and / or downgrade the kernel as I suggested until the above commands show a wireless network interface.
Any errors encountered post in full and be as detailed in the steps taken as you can.

Alternatively get a wifi dongle which is well supported by linux with an in kernel driver. Not saying you should. Just that it's an option.
 

Re: LXQt nm-applet missing

Reply #28 –
ip link show
1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 40:8d:5c:50:51:89 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
5: tun0: <POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST,NOARP,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1434 qdisc fq_codel state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 500
    link/none
6: wlan0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DORMANT mode DORMANT group default qlen 1000
    link/ether ae:1b:2f:5c:ae:88 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff permaddr 08:10:7a:66:af:d7
7: wlan1: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DOWN mode DORMANT group default qlen 1000
    link/ether d6:05:0d:f1:b2:f1 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff permaddr 0a:10:7a:66:af:d7

cat /proc/net/wireless
Inter-| sta-|   Quality        |   Discarded packets               | Missed | WE
 face | tus | link level noise |  nwid  crypt   frag  retry   misc | beacon | 22
 wlan0: 0000    0.    0.    0.       0      0      0      0      0        0
 wlan1: 0000    0.    0.    0.       0      0      0      0      0        0

wireless devices do show.
this dongle, as the github.com/morrownr/8812au-20210629 doc explain, allow dual devices. currently they are wlan0 and 1

Does this not support that there is a working driver installed?

lsmod shows it too, i think?

lsmod
Module                  Size  Used by
tun                    61440  2
rfcomm                 94208  4
snd_seq_dummy          16384  0
snd_hrtimer            16384  1
snd_seq                94208  7 snd_seq_dummy
snd_seq_device         16384  1 snd_seq
fuse                  176128  6
qrtr                   57344  4
cmac                   16384  2
algif_hash             16384  1
algif_skcipher         16384  1
af_alg                 36864  6 algif_hash,algif_skcipher
bnep                   32768  2
edac_mce_amd           57344  0
kvm_amd               167936  0
ccp                   131072  1 kvm_amd
rng_core               20480  1 ccp
kvm                  1118208  1 kvm_amd
irqbypass              16384  1 kvm
vfat                   24576  3
fat                    90112  1 vfat
amdgpu               8941568  30
crct10dif_pclmul       16384  1
snd_hda_codec_realtek   167936  1
crc32_pclmul           16384  0
snd_hda_codec_generic    98304  1 snd_hda_codec_realtek
btusb                  65536  0
snd_hda_codec_hdmi     86016  1
ledtrig_audio          16384  1 snd_hda_codec_generic
ghash_clmulni_intel    16384  0
btrtl                  28672  1 btusb
btbcm                  20480  1 btusb
8812au               3039232  0
mxm_wmi                16384  0
snd_hda_intel          61440  4
btintel                49152  1 btusb                                                                                                                                                                             
snd_intel_dspcfg       36864  1 snd_hda_intel                                                                                                                                                                     
aesni_intel           380928  3                                                                                                                                                                                   
btmtk                  16384  1 btusb                                                                                                                                                                             
snd_intel_sdw_acpi     20480  1 snd_intel_dspcfg                                                                                                                                                                  
crypto_simd            16384  1 aesni_intel
snd_hda_codec         184320  4 snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec_realtek
cryptd                 28672  3 crypto_simd,ghash_clmulni_intel
joydev                 28672  0
r8169                 106496  0
bluetooth             872448  36 btrtl,btmtk,btintel,btbcm,bnep,btusb,rfcomm
k10temp                16384  0
snd_hda_core          118784  5 snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_codec_realtek
mousedev               24576  0
fam15h_power           16384  0
pcspkr                 16384  0
realtek                36864  1
mdio_devres            16384  1 r8169
cfg80211             1085440  1 8812au
snd_hwdep              16384  1 snd_hda_codec
libphy                172032  3 r8169,mdio_devres,realtek
sp5100_tco             20480  0
snd_pcm               172032  5 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_core
ecdh_generic           16384  1 bluetooth
i2c_piix4              36864  0
rfkill                 36864  5 bluetooth,cfg80211
snd_timer              49152  3 snd_seq,snd_hrtimer,snd_pcm
gpu_sched              53248  1 amdgpu
drm_ttm_helper         16384  1 amdgpu
snd                   126976  19 snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hwdep,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_timer,snd_pcm
ttm                    86016  2 amdgpu,drm_ttm_helper
soundcore              16384  1 snd
drm_dp_helper         167936  1 amdgpu
mac_hid                16384  0
wmi                    45056  1 mxm_wmi
acpi_cpufreq           32768  0
crypto_user            24576  0
ext4                 1011712  3
crc32c_generic         16384  0
crc16                  16384  2 bluetooth,ext4
mbcache                16384  1 ext4
jbd2                  192512  1 ext4
uas                    32768  0
usb_storage            81920  5 uas
hid_elecom             16384  0
crc32c_intel           24576  6
xhci_pci               20480  0
usbhid                 73728  0
xhci_pci_renesas       24576  1 xhci_pci

Re: LXQt nm-applet missing

Reply #29 –
Quote from: n00b – on
Does this not support that there is a working driver installed?

A driver at least. Hopefully working.
I'm surprised there's no mention of wlan0 (or wlan1) in the dmesg output. But there you go.

Let me have a think.
On my PC I use a wired connection with no NetworkManager or systray applets so can't help with that. But I used to use something terminal based to set up wifi on my Arch chromebook. Going to see if I can remember what it was. And what I use now. It did have lxqt on it but switched KDE. Only use it on holidays (so once in the last three years!)