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(Problem) Start Artix with NVIDIA open software driver from USB stick to try out

Hello Community,

I have an NVIDIA GeForce GT 740 graphics card and would like to try out Artix from the USB stick and if I like it as an alternative to Manajo Linux, also install it.

Since there are no open sources for NVIDIA drivers in their ISO images, I cannot start Artix from the start menu into the graphical user interface what I want.

In addition, I have no idea how to use the commands in the console, which is why I need both a graphical user interface and a graphic installer to perform all settings.

Therefore, I ask you to install Artix with a graphical user interface so that I don't have to use the console and if so, please only with one step by step guide.

Re: (Problem) Start Artix with NVIDIA open software driver from USB stick to try out

Reply #1
I think you may have to use to console briefly.

I ran into this recently installing Artix on a machine with a Nvidia GTX 770.
The Installed Nvidia drivers of course did not work and the display manager sddm dumped me out to the console.

But I could start a gui with
Code: [Select]
startx /usr/bin/startplasma_x11
as I already knew the command to start plasma. I assume this session of X was using the vesa driver as the resolution  was very low.
(You would have to to replace the command after 'startx' with whatever starts the DE / window manger you have installed.)

Once in X I could install the legacy 470 drivers from the AUR and after a reboot X worked.

So you only need one command in the console but you need to know what it is before you arrive there.

Re: (Problem) Start Artix with NVIDIA open software driver from USB stick to try out

Reply #2

Since there are no open sources for NVIDIA drivers in their ISO Images

It's very strange why artix developers didn't include open source video card drivers in the iso image (xf86-video-nouveau and mesa). I have a Nvidia Gtx650 and I also faced this difficulty. I simply installed the system from the base image...

Re: (Problem) Start Artix with NVIDIA open software driver from USB stick to try out

Reply #3
I think you may have to use to console briefly.

I ran into this recently installing Artix on a machine with a Nvidia GTX 770.
The Installed Nvidia drivers of course did not work and the display manager sddm dumped me out to the console.

But I could start a gui with
Code: [Select]
startx /usr/bin/startplasma_x11
as I already knew the command to start plasma. I assume this session of X was using the vesa driver as the resolution  was very low.
(You would have to to replace the command after 'startx' with whatever starts the DE / window manger you have installed.)

Once in X I could install the legacy 470 drivers from the AUR and after a reboot X worked.

So you only need one command in the console but you need to know what it is before you arrive there.


Okay, can you give me a step-by-step guide, even with pictures, so I can just do it?

And is there no easier way to do this?

I would like to try the XFCE desktop with both openrc and other INIT systems.

With me, only the graphic star menu opens and if I want to start from the USB stick on Artix, he only displays the console where I should enter the username and password to proceed with the commands in it, of which I have no idea.

Okay, but I don't know what order I need.

I don't feel it just as user-friendly and suitable for Linux beginners, which could be much easier if Artix would pack the off sources from the NVIDIA into the ISO images, as is the case with Manjaro Linux and where you can also choose from the start menu, whether you want to start with open sources or closed sources Artix.

Artix would certainly also get more users, as it is already better rated by Linux users at Distrowatch than Manjaro Linux.

Re: (Problem) Start Artix with NVIDIA open software driver from USB stick to try out

Reply #4

Since there are no open sources for NVIDIA drivers in their ISO Images

It's very strange why artix developers didn't include open source video card drivers in the iso image (xf86-video-nouveau and mesa). I have a Nvidia Gtx650 and I also faced this difficulty. I simply installed the system from the base image...



Yes, I also find it very strange, although it would also increase user-friendliness by a multiple and make it easier for Linux beginners.

Okay, how did you install it exactly?

Can you give me a step-by-step guide with photos, what I can do?

Re: (Problem) Start Artix with NVIDIA open software driver from USB stick to try out

Reply #5
Okay, how did you install it exactly?

Trying to install in a graphical environment failed for me. The system simply hung. However, the installation process using base-iso worked fine. The system is stable.

Re: (Problem) Start Artix with NVIDIA open software driver from USB stick to try out

Reply #6
Since there are no open sources for NVIDIA drivers in their ISO images
The open-source Nouveau driver is part of our graphical ISO images. Since you didn't provide enough information in your OP, I'll guess that you may have better luck if you try another ISO, perhaps one of the "old" images at the bottom of our download page. Once installed, you can bring your system up-to-date after reading our news page for a few things to keep in mind.

[Can you give me a step-by-step guide with photos, what I can do?
There's a complete installation guide at our wiki. The Arch wiki articles apply as well for further components.

Re: (Problem) Start Artix with NVIDIA open software driver from USB stick to try out

Reply #7
Okay, how did you install it exactly?

Trying to install in a graphical environment failed for me. The system simply hung. However, the installation process using base-iso worked fine. The system is stable.



Okay, why does that fail to start in a graphical environment?

And how did you install it with a base-iso?

I would like to be able to convince myself of this, but my attempts, unfortunately, still fail.

Re: (Problem) Start Artix with NVIDIA open software driver from USB stick to try out

Reply #8


Trying to install in a graphical environment failed for me. The system simply hung. However, the installation process using base-iso worked fine. The system is stable.



Okay, why does that fail to start in a graphical environment?

And how did you install it with a base-iso?

I would like to be able to convince myself of this, but my attempts, unfortunately, still fail.


Okay, what information do you need from me, then I'll let her come to you?

I have tried 2 older ISO images and would like to try and install the Dinit System and XFCE, which unfortunately did not work with it, because I don't get on with the command line again and again.

Here I took 3 photos to see what it looks like with me:

(How to post pictures here?)

The command line shows me the following errors:

dinit: Service modules command failed with exit code 123

What exactly does that mean?

So I don't know what else I can do.

Yeah, I can read the news page.

In addition, English is not my strength, which is why it is cumbersome to translate everything with a translator as I also come from Germany.

Okay, thanks for the link and for the help.

Why can't you start from any ISO image you have in a graphical environment, as it works with Manjaro Linux, even with any current ISO image?

Isn't old hardware supported?

 

Re: (Problem) Start Artix with NVIDIA open software driver from USB stick to try out

Reply #9
I didn't explain very well before.
Your card "NVIDIA GeForce GT 740" is not supported by the nvidia proprietary drivers on the iso.
There is the open source Nouveau driver on the iso but my experience was that failed to work for some reason (sddm?)

To get a GUI:
Login
artix
artix

then run this command
Code: [Select]
startx /usr/bin/startxfce4
Hopefully the GUI will start and you can install artix. But you may struggle a little as the resolution will only be 1024x768 probably.

If you get Artix installed you may have to repeat the above to get a GUI again.
Once you have done that update the system and install some packages needed to build the legacy nvidia drivers
Code: [Select]
sudo pacman -Syu base-devel 
Next run
Code: [Select]
sudo pacman -S nvidia-470xx-dkms nvidia-470xx-utils
Reboot and hopefully that will work

That is almost exactly what I did to get Artix installed on the machine with the gtx 770 except I used the command to start plasma not xfce like you have.
(I actually got the drivers from the AUR but that's an extra complication you probably don't need at the moment)

From memory so I hope I've not made typo's



Re: (Problem) Start Artix with NVIDIA open software driver from USB stick to try out

Reply #10
I didn't explain very well before.
Your card "NVIDIA GeForce GT 740" is not supported by the nvidia proprietary drivers on the iso.
There is the open source Nouveau driver on the iso but my experience was that failed to work for some reason (sddm?)

To get a GUI:
Login
artix
artix

then run this command
Code: [Select]
startx /usr/bin/startxfce4
Hopefully the GUI will start and you can install artix. But you may struggle a little as the resolution will only be 1024x768 probably.

If you get Artix installed you may have to repeat the above to get a GUI again.
Once you have done that update the system and install some packages needed to build the legacy nvidia drivers
Code: [Select]
sudo pacman -Syu base-devel 
Next run
Code: [Select]
sudo pacman -S nvidia-470xx-dkms nvidia-470xx-utils
Reboot and hopefully that will work

That is almost exactly what I did to get Artix installed on the machine with the gtx 770 except I used the command to start plasma not xfce like you have.
(I actually got the drivers from the AUR but that's an extra complication you probably don't need at the moment)

From memory so I hope I've not made typo's



I didn't explain very well before.
Your card "NVIDIA GeForce GT 740" is not supported by the nvidia proprietary drivers on the iso.
There is the open source Nouveau driver on the iso but my experience was that failed to work for some reason (sddm?)

To get a GUI:
Login
artix
artix

then run this command
Code: [Select]
startx /usr/bin/startxfce4
Hopefully the GUI will start and you can install artix. But you may struggle a little as the resolution will only be 1024x768 probably.

If you get Artix installed you may have to repeat the above to get a GUI again.
Once you have done that update the system and install some packages needed to build the legacy nvidia drivers
Code: [Select]
sudo pacman -Syu base-devel 
Next run
Code: [Select]
sudo pacman -S nvidia-470xx-dkms nvidia-470xx-utils
Reboot and hopefully that will work

That is almost exactly what I did to get Artix installed on the machine with the gtx 770 except I used the command to start plasma not xfce like you have.
(I actually got the drivers from the AUR but that's an extra complication you probably don't need at the moment)

From memory so I hope I've not made typo's





Yes, I believe that too and I don't think it's a good thing that the Nvidia proprietary drivers for older graphics cards are not supported in the ISO images.

Yes, it also worked with the command you wrote to me:

I was also able to install Artix and also had this low and poor resolution of 1024x768.

So I have to honestly say that Artix Linux is too complicated and not user-friendly for me, which is why I decided against using Artix Linux and that's why I'm sticking with Manjaro Linux, which I get along well with, even if there are a few There are problems that perhaps cannot be solved even if I spend more time on them.

I don't really like Artix Linux either, even though some people find it good and promote it.

You can't set up Artix Linux completely individually like Manjaro Linux and I actually have more problems with that than with Manjaro Linux.

Therefore, I decided against using Artix Linux and continued using Manjaro Linux.

I updated the system, which only worked partially.

I tried installing the packages I need and it didn't work for me either.

As a Linux beginner, this really puts me off and that's why I'm refraining from further testing with Artix Linux.

Artix Linux is nowhere near at the level of Manjaro Linux and I think a lot of development work is still necessary to get there.

Okay, I can't handle Artix Linux anyway.

I personally use some packages from the AUR.

No I do not think so.

Nevertheless, I thank you and the others for your help, but you haven't been able to get a new Artix Linux user.

That's why I'm logging out of the forum again.

I'm sorry.

I wish you all the best and the developers behind Artix Linux good luck and success in developing Artix Linux.

Re: (Problem) Start Artix with NVIDIA open software driver from USB stick to try out

Reply #11
I didn't explain very well before.
Your card "NVIDIA GeForce GT 740" is not supported by the nvidia proprietary drivers on the iso.
There is the open source Nouveau driver on the iso but my experience was that failed to work for some reason (sddm?)

To get a GUI:
Login
artix
artix

then run this command
Code: [Select]
startx /usr/bin/startxfce4
Hopefully the GUI will start and you can install artix. But you may struggle a little as the resolution will only be 1024x768 probably.

If you get Artix installed you may have to repeat the above to get a GUI again.
Once you have done that update the system and install some packages needed to build the legacy nvidia drivers
Code: [Select]
sudo pacman -Syu base-devel 
Next run
Code: [Select]
sudo pacman -S nvidia-470xx-dkms nvidia-470xx-utils
Reboot and hopefully that will work

That is almost exactly what I did to get Artix installed on the machine with the gtx 770 except I used the command to start plasma not xfce like you have.
(I actually got the drivers from the AUR but that's an extra complication you probably don't need at the moment)

From memory so I hope I've not made typo's



I didn't explain very well before.
Your card "NVIDIA GeForce GT 740" is not supported by the nvidia proprietary drivers on the iso.
There is the open source Nouveau driver on the iso but my experience was that failed to work for some reason (sddm?)

To get a GUI:
Login
artix
artix

then run this command
Code: [Select]
startx /usr/bin/startxfce4
Hopefully the GUI will start and you can install artix. But you may struggle a little as the resolution will only be 1024x768 probably.

If you get Artix installed you may have to repeat the above to get a GUI again.
Once you have done that update the system and install some packages needed to build the legacy nvidia drivers
Code: [Select]
sudo pacman -Syu base-devel 
Next run
Code: [Select]
sudo pacman -S nvidia-470xx-dkms nvidia-470xx-utils
Reboot and hopefully that will work

That is almost exactly what I did to get Artix installed on the machine with the gtx 770 except I used the command to start plasma not xfce like you have.
(I actually got the drivers from the AUR but that's an extra complication you probably don't need at the moment)

From memory so I hope I've not made typo's





Yes, I believe that too and I don't think it's a good thing that the Nvidia proprietary drivers for older graphics cards are not supported in the ISO images.

Yes, it also worked with the command you wrote to me:

startx /usr/bin/startxfce4

I was also able to install Artix and also had this low and poor resolution of 1024x768.

So I have to honestly say that Artix Linux is too complicated and not user-friendly for me, which is why I decided against using Artix Linux and that's why I'm sticking with Manjaro Linux, which I get along well with, even if there are a few There are problems that perhaps cannot be solved even if I spend more time on them.

I don't really like Artix Linux either, even though some people find it good and promote it.

You can't set up Artix Linux completely individually like Manjaro Linux and I actually have more problems with that than with Manjaro Linux.

Therefore, I decided against using Artix Linux and continued using Manjaro Linux.

I updated the system, which only worked partially.

I tried installing the packages I need and it didn't work for me either.

As a Linux beginner, this really puts me off and that's why I'm refraining from further testing with Artix Linux.

Artix Linux is nowhere near at the level of Manjaro Linux and I think a lot of development work is still necessary to get there.

Okay, I can't handle Artix Linux anyway.

I personally use some packages from the AUR.

No I do not think so.

Nevertheless, I thank you and the others for your help, but you haven't been able to get a new Artix Linux user.

That's why I'm logging out of the forum again.

I'm sorry.

I wish you all the best and the developers behind Artix Linux good luck and success in developing Artix Linux.

Re: (Problem) Start Artix with NVIDIA open software driver from USB stick to try out

Reply #12
As I already wrote here in this forum, I just want to repeat. The Artix Linux system is excellent. And I recommend everyone to use artix-base iso image. This allows you to install a minimal system and configure it to your liking. Of course, it's not my business, but I think it's a good idea to completely abandon graphical iso images. They will only introduce unnecessary chaos and cause more problems than good.


Re: (Problem) Start Artix with NVIDIA open software driver from USB stick to try out

Reply #13
So I have to honestly say that Artix Linux is too complicated and not user-friendly for me, which is why I decided against using Artix Linux and that's why I'm sticking with Manjaro Linux, which I get along well with, even if there are a few There are problems that perhaps cannot be solved even if I spend more time on them.
My own opinion is that Artix is not suitable for complete (or almost) beginners unless they accept they'll have to learn quite a bit.
From my limited experience with the Artix GUI iso's they don't have the polish from the word go as some of the Arch derived distro's.
But for every complaint about lack of polish they'll be another about deviation from the 'default' so there's no winning here really.

What Artix does have going for it is no systemd. And that's a biggie. This requires a lot of effort on the part of the devs.
If they were just doing an almost straight copy of Arch, like most other derivatives, they might have more time for the bling and hand holding helper apps.
The more they concentrate on the systemdless packaging the better for me.

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You can't set up Artix Linux completely individually like Manjaro Linux and I actually have more problems with that than with Manjaro Linux.
If you'd said 'I can't' OK.
But if someone knows how there's no limit to the customisation.
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I wish you all the best and the developers behind Artix Linux good luck and success in developing Artix Linux.
All the best to you too. Well done for trying and you probably learned a couple of things along the way even if the end result was not success.

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Reply #14
I think it's a good idea to completely abandon graphical iso images. They will only introduce unnecessary chaos and cause more problems than good.
Since 2019, I have successfully installed Artix Linux XFCE OpenRC in graphics mode (Calamares) on different PCs.
I find it interesting, but painful to install from a "Base" ISO. :(