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Is there anybody using libre kernel in artix?

Is there anybody use libre kernel in artix linux because im using linux-libre-rt-lts its mantain by Free Software Foundation Latin America, The reason why i like libre kernel because its 100% free software theres no  binary blobs no drm and its not mantain by Linus Torvalds or if you want to Escape from linux foundation use libre kernel.

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The reason why i like libre kernel because its 100% open source

The Jargon is usually that  it is 100% Free Software...

in for a pound, in for a penny


Binary blobs are free but not open source, I think OP said correct thing.

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No, I don't use it because all the statements about the Linux kernel using blobs (code objects distributed only in binary form without sources) are lies.

After such lies, I am skeptical and distrustful of the words from: GNU/Debian/linux-libre projects and Richard Stallman himself.

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The Jargon is usually that  it is 100% Free Software...

in for a pound, in for a penny


Binary blobs are free but not open source, I think OP said correct thing.
"Linux, the kernel developed and distributed by Linus Torvalds et al, contains non-Free Software, i.e., software that does not respect your essential freedoms, and it induces you to install additional non-Free Software that it doesn't contain. Even after allegedly moving all firmware to a separate project as of release 4.14, Linux so-called "sources" published by Mr Torvalds still contain non-Free firmware disguised as source code."
https://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/

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Binary blobs are free but not open source, I think OP said correct thing.
"Linux, the kernel developed and distributed by Linus Torvalds et al, contains non-Free Software, i.e., software that does not respect your essential freedoms, and it induces you to install additional non-Free Software that it doesn't contain. Even after allegedly moving all firmware to a separate project as of release 4.14, Linux so-called "sources" published by Mr Torvalds still contain non-Free firmware disguised as source code."
https://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/



Thanks. Do they have example to illustrate "non-Free firmware disguised as source code."? I am aware of binary blobs but didn't know the rest (assuming they have good example).

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"Linux, the kernel developed and distributed by Linus Torvalds et al, contains non-Free Software, i.e., software that does not respect your essential freedoms, and it induces you to install additional non-Free Software that it doesn't contain. Even after allegedly moving all firmware to a separate project as of release 4.14, Linux so-called "sources" published by Mr Torvalds still contain non-Free firmware disguised as source code."
https://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/



Thanks. Do they have example to illustrate "non-Free firmware disguised as source code."? I am aware of binary blobs but didn't know the rest (assuming they have good example).
Just look at this: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/tree/drivers/net/wireless/realtek/rtw88/rtw8814a_table.c?h=v6.15.6
Or any _table.c file. It's proprietary firmware encoded as massive C arrays.

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Thanks. Do they have example to illustrate "non-Free firmware disguised as source code."? I am aware of binary blobs but didn't know the rest (assuming they have good example).
Just look at this: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/tree/drivers/net/wireless/realtek/rtw88/rtw8814a_table.c?h=v6.15.6
Or any _table.c file. It's proprietary firmware encoded as massive C arrays.

Yes but those are drivers binary blobs, we agree they are shady but sometimes you can't do without them. They probably end in linux-firmware anyway?

Their site says "GNU Linux-libre is a project to maintain and publish 100% Free distributions of Linux, suitable for use in Free System Distributions, removing software that is included without source code, with obfuscated or obscured source code, under non-Free Software licenses, that do not permit you to change the software so that it does what you wish, and that induces or requires you to install additional pieces of non-Free Software." so I am curious is there example outside of drivers that fits "non-Free software licenses" or contains "obfuscated or obscured source code".

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Even on Guix which uses linux-libre of course, there's a way to install just the binary blobs you need to make your hardware work, see the nonGuix repo, notice the Guile configs outlined on the nonGuix repo, and there recipes and easier Guix ways practical guides such the systemcrafters one.

I believe if packaging and using such drivers on any distro, it wouldn't be too complex to incorporate linux-libre on them.  That would be made even easier by adding some tools that would outlined what hardware is missing firmware binary blobs and which firmware binary blob in particular.  I don't see a reason not to able to get systems with just the minimal required firmware.  Linux itself has attempted some things, but they fall short compared with what linux-libre does.

Of course there's manual intervention on users.  A way to introduce the notion to users, besides having the right wikies, would be to include guides on installing first plain linux, finding all requirements 2nd, then replace linux with linux-libre plus all requirements.  Then a next step would be introducing basic (no need for full DEs/WMs) ISO linux-libre installer providing a specific wiki on how to deal with it, and see how it goes.

Besides the user intervention, there's additional work on packagers of course, so that packages are available for the binary blobs firmware.  This of course is extra work.  And there's a minimal delay between linux and linux-libre releases, which some people might claim is a security feature, but that's really non sense at least to me, since the difference is days, vs. non rolling-release distros which some times take more than that to back port security fixes...  At any rate, it's possible, requires additional effort.  Some might consider it worth it, counting myself, most probably don't care and would prefer to avoid the burden altogether.

As a user one can try it without the help from the distro BTW, for example AUR already offers linux-libre and several companions, though not sure if linux-libre-firmware covers for free software firmware only, or if it includes a whole bunch of non free software firmware.  I haven't taken the time to explore,  :( but I hope eventually, at some point, I'll be able to take the time and explore linux-libre.  Of course if the distro is oriented to linux-libre and offers way with minimal non free stuff to get the hardware working, that's much better.

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Even on Guix which uses linux-libre of course, there's a way to install just the binary blobs you need to make your hardware work, see the nonGuix repo, notice the Guile configs outlined on the nonGuix repo, and there recipes and easier Guix ways practical guides such the systemcrafters one.

I believe if packaging and using such drivers on any distro, it wouldn't be too complex to incorporate linux-libre on them.  That would be made even easier by adding some tools that would outlined what hardware is missing firmware binary blobs and which firmware binary blob in particular.  I don't see a reason not to able to get systems with just the minimal required firmware.  Linux itself has attempted some things, but they fall short compared with what linux-libre does.

Of course there's manual intervention on users.  A way to introduce the notion to users, besides having the right wikies, would be to include guides on installing first plain linux, finding all requirements 2nd, then replace linux with linux-libre plus all requirements.  Then a next step would be introducing basic (no need for full DEs/WMs) ISO linux-libre installer providing a specific wiki on how to deal with it, and see how it goes.

Besides the user intervention, there's additional work on packagers of course, so that packages are available for the binary blobs firmware.  This of course is extra work.  And there's a minimal delay between linux and linux-libre releases, which some people might claim is a security feature, but that's really non sense at least to me, since the difference is days, vs. non rolling-release distros which some times take more than that to back port security fixes...  At any rate, it's possible, requires additional effort.  Some might consider it worth it, counting myself, most probably don't care and would prefer to avoid the burden altogether.

As a user one can try it without the help from the distro BTW, for example AUR already offers linux-libre and several companions, though not sure if linux-libre-firmware covers for free software firmware only, or if it includes a whole bunch of non free software firmware.  I haven't taken the time to explore,  :( but I hope eventually, at some point, I'll be able to take the time and explore linux-libre.  Of course if the distro is oriented to linux-libre and offers way with minimal non free stuff to get the hardware working, that's much better.

I dont use aur to install linux-libre i enable libre Repository from Parabola os to artix linux if you want linux-libre add this to pacman.conf down bottom and also install your-freedom package from libre repo to remove all non-free package thats how i make my artix linux free libre distros 100% free software.


[libre]
SigLevel = Never
Server = https://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64






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I dont use aur to install linux-libre i enable libre Repository from Parabola os to artix linux if you want linux-libre add this to pacman.conf down bottom and also install your-freedom package from libre repo to remove all non-free package thats how i make my artix linux free libre distros 100% free software.

[libre]
SigLevel = Never
Server = https://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64

I totally forgot about parabola, :)  Nice !  Thanks !

Re: is there anybody use libre kernel in artix

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Quote from: jackie777 – on
Quote from: kixik – on
Even on Guix which uses linux-libre of course, there's a way to install just the binary blobs you need to make your hardware work, see the nonGuix repo, notice the Guile configs outlined on the nonGuix repo, and there recipes and easier Guix ways practical guides such the systemcrafters one.

I believe if packaging and using such drivers on any distro, it wouldn't be too complex to incorporate linux-libre on them.  That would be made even easier by adding some tools that would outlined what hardware is missing firmware binary blobs and which firmware binary blob in particular.  I don't see a reason not to able to get systems with just the minimal required firmware.  Linux itself has attempted some things, but they fall short compared with what linux-libre does.

Of course there's manual intervention on users.  A way to introduce the notion to users, besides having the right wikies, would be to include guides on installing first plain linux, finding all requirements 2nd, then replace linux with linux-libre plus all requirements.  Then a next step would be introducing basic (no need for full DEs/WMs) ISO linux-libre installer providing a specific wiki on how to deal with it, and see how it goes.

Besides the user intervention, there's additional work on packagers of course, so that packages are available for the binary blobs firmware.  This of course is extra work.  And there's a minimal delay between linux and linux-libre releases, which some people might claim is a security feature, but that's really non sense at least to me, since the difference is days, vs. non rolling-release distros which some times take more than that to back port security fixes...  At any rate, it's possible, requires additional effort.  Some might consider it worth it, counting myself, most probably don't care and would prefer to avoid the burden altogether.

As a user one can try it without the help from the distro BTW, for example AUR already offers linux-libre and several companions, though not sure if linux-libre-firmware covers for free software firmware only, or if it includes a whole bunch of non free software firmware.  I haven't taken the time to explore,  :( but I hope eventually, at some point, I'll be able to take the time and explore linux-libre.  Of course if the distro is oriented to linux-libre and offers way with minimal non free stuff to get the hardware working, that's much better.

I dont use aur to install linux-libre i enable libre Repository from Parabola os to artix linux if you want linux-libre add this to pacman.conf down bottom and also install your-freedom package from libre repo to remove all non-free package thats how i make my artix linux free libre distros 100% free software.


[libre]
SigLevel = Never
Server = https://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64

Just to be clear, that is not an artix repository and you can REALLY break things like that.  If you want a different distro, just use it.    Artix has enough work tilting at the free init system windmill.  It doesn't really need other ones.

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I dont use aur to install linux-libre i enable libre Repository from Parabola os to artix linux if you want linux-libre add this to pacman.conf down bottom and also install your-freedom package from libre repo to remove all non-free package thats how i make my artix linux free libre distros 100% free software.


[libre]
SigLevel = Never
Server = https://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64

Just to be clear, that is not an artix repository and you can REALLY break things like that.  If you want a different distro, just use it.  Personally, I hate that OS and it doesn't work on most the laptops I've tested it on... so there is that.  Artix has enough work tilting at the free init system windmill.  It doesn't really need other ones.

You dont have to use Parabola or different os im saying that you can make any distros 100% free software using their repos to install linux-libre and libre repo dont break i install many program from libre repo, Because all the gnu os with using linux-libre is dead and not mantain anymore but the libre repo is maintain and update, thats why i install linux-libre with maintain os like artix linux to make 100% free libre distros and you can even make void linux to use linux-libre everything is possible.

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Just to be clear, that is not an artix repository and you can REALLY break things like that.  If you want a different distro, just use it.  Personally, I hate that OS and it doesn't work on most the laptops I've tested it on... so there is that.  Artix has enough work tilting at the free init system windmill.  It doesn't really need other ones.

You dont have to use Parabola or different os im saying that you can make any distros 100% free software using their repos


NO YOU CAN NOT.  That is misinformation and you are wrong.  You can't even do that with the AUR.  There is always some risk involved.  You are talking about changing the core repos to those pointed at by another distro run by a very small set of volunteers who couldn't give a rats ass about compatibility or breaking things.

Those kernels, btw, will not work on several of my HP laptops as a matter of fact.  And that is just for starters.  No amount of fanaticism to the FSF or GNU will change that.   It is a different distro and Artix is not responsible for it nor is it a simple replacement.

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Just to be clear, that is not an artix repository and you can REALLY break things like that.  If you want a different distro, just use it.  Personally, I hate that OS and it doesn't work on most the laptops I've tested it on... so there is that.  Artix has enough work tilting at the free init system windmill.  It doesn't really need other ones.

You dont have to use Parabola or different os im saying that you can make any distros 100% free software using their repos


NO YOU CAN NOT.  That is misinformation and you are wrong.  You can't even do that with the AUR.  There is always some risk involved.  You are talking about changing the core repos to those pointed at by another distro run by a very small set of volunteers who couldn't give a rats ass about compatibility or breaking things.

Those kernels, btw, will not work on several of my HP laptops as a matter of fact.  And that is just for starters.  No amount of fanaticism to the FSF or GNU will change that.

AND BTW - it is a systemd based system... so there is that. 

https://www.parabola.nu/packages/?sort=&q=systemd&maintainer=&flagged=