Why does systemd exist? 17 September 2024, 22:23:20 Around 10 years ago, at age 17. i started using linux right before systemd became the default on debian.I didn't really know what i was doing.I just followed a guide on forums and stuff.Installing the nvidia drivers required me to disable the display manager, enter tty console, and blacklist nouveau drivers.Since then, linux has evolved allot.I'm a solo developer, working on my own projects. Never worked for a big company.Why does systemd exist and why should i care about it?What exactly does systemd bring to the table that alternative "modular standalone software" does not?And why not just create an alternative to elogind? How hard could it be?How many systemd shims does artix use? elogind, etmpfiles, etc...Systemd seems to keep growing forever, adding its own way of doing things on top of the existing linux userspace that's already installed on the system.Basically duplicated software.After trying many times to learn it, i found it too difficult finding the relevant documentation for it.The systemd website does not explain how to use systemd indepth.The manpages are all over the place in an unorganized way.No good books are written about it either. Imaging paying $$$ for documentation.Systemd currently has 465 open bug issues.https://github.com/systemd/systemd/labels/bug%20%F0%9F%90%9BThis makes my eyes hurt.I plan on migrating to artix, currently on arch linux. 2 Likes
Re: Why does systemd exist? Reply #1 – 18 September 2024, 02:08:48 Hello and welcome,A little reading to complete:https://unixdigest.com/articles/the-real-motivation-behind-systemd.html 4 Likes
Re: Why does systemd exist? Reply #2 – 18 September 2024, 21:00:51 I think the question should be "Why systemd was adopted at such an astonishing rate"... And the answer is - control and money. 3 Likes
Re: Why does systemd exist? Reply #3 – 18 September 2024, 22:05:02 Quote from: tintin – on 18 September 2024, 02:08:48Hello and welcome,A little reading to complete:https://unixdigest.com/articles/the-real-motivation-behind-systemd.htmlalways good to read, which shows the real motivations of redhat/ibm..Quote from: Shoun2137 – on 18 September 2024, 21:00:51I think the question should be "Why systemd was adopted at such an astonishing rate"... And the answer is - control and money.exactly
Re: Why does systemd exist? Reply #4 – 19 September 2024, 02:45:08 I'm saying since years: When Ballmer said "Linux is cancer", he was right. - But he meant systemd. 1 Likes
Re: Why does systemd exist? Reply #5 – 19 September 2024, 21:48:58 Speaking of (in this case a bit less) money I want to reference the Pmos threadhttps://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,6579.msg40103.html#msg40103this came recentlyhttps://postmarketos.org/blog/2024/08/16/paying-for-development/QuoteWhy fund this project and not (insert my favorite project that needs attention)?postmarketOS has very limited funds, and this is a hard decision. However, the team has identified the lack of compatibility between musl and systemd as one of the critical points to improve the future stability of postmarketOS.Keep comments about this more silent if you can, you know.Also, I would say don't hate on them, the fight for independence can be vicious sometimes. 1 Likes
Re: Why does systemd exist? Reply #6 – Yesterday at 16:35:33 all this good,but can you explain why ALL mainstream distros switched and still using systemd if it so evil thing?how systemd can control and how it make money at all about that?answer here?https://unixdigest.com/articles/the-real-motivation-behind-systemd.html Last Edit: Yesterday at 16:42:47 by deepforest 1 Likes
Re: Why does systemd exist? Reply #7 – Yesterday at 21:52:55 Quote from: deepforest – on Yesterday at 16:35:33all this good,but can you explain why ALL mainstream distros switched and still using systemd if it so evil thing?how systemd can control and how it make money at all about that?I suggest "laziness" 1 Likes
Re: Why does systemd exist? Reply #8 – Today at 00:59:18 systemd, 10 years later: a historical and technical retrospectiveSSL cert expired but worth a read, or at least a scan, if you want to know some of the history of how we got to where we are (or at least to 2020) with distro's and systemd.But the short answer is Redhat, money, power and the growth of cloud computing imho. 2 Likes
Re: Why does systemd exist? Reply #9 – Today at 02:13:03 Quote from: gripped – on Today at 00:59:18systemd, 10 years later: a historical and technical retrospectiveSSL cert expired but worth a read, or at least a scan, if you want to know some of the history of how we got to where we are (or at least to 2020) with distro's and systemd.But the short answer is Redhat, money, power and the growth of cloud computing imho.What does it do for cloud computing? 1 Likes
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