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Will wayland ever be ready?

Hi,
Will wayland ever be ready?
Wayland on my laptop, has this horrible screen flickering issue that prevent me from using it.
It's a netbook with intel celeron and intel graphics with a TN panel.

My desktop has a rtx 3060 graphics card from nvidia.
For a long time, nvidia didn't work at all.

I've been waiting for so long.
DWL (dwm for wayland ) is still extremely buggy.
And most standalone wayland compositors are still in pet project alpha stages of development. Except hyprland.
Not a single wayland compositor supports keychords. An important feature that i cannot live without.
Something both xmonad and dwm supports.

So, when will we all just switch to wayland? And have things 'just work', without xwayland api shim?
In 10 years? Until the heat dead of the universe?

Re: Will wayland ever be ready?

Reply #1 –
I've tried many times to get a usable openbox like dm using wayland. I think eventually labwc might be able to do so see here.

So far I have not migrated to wayland though.

I don't see any great advantage yet and I know almost exactly how to get X11 to do what I want.  A lot of articles talk about performance and security and newer features, but I'm not that impressed. I;m certainly too old to start using gestures etc etc.

Can you say exactly what is the benefit for you?

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Quote from: awky – on

So, when will we all just switch to wayland? And have things 'just work', without xwayland api shim?
In 10 years? Until the heat dead of the universe?

It will take a long time to wait. For a very long time. But it is better to wait a long time and get a quality product than to get quickly and fight with bugs.

Re: Will wayland ever be ready?

Reply #3 –
Wayland has made progress, but it's still not perfect, especially for setups like yours with keychords or certain hardware. Nvidia support has improved a lot recently, but it’s not flawless either. I think we’re still a few years away from Wayland being a full replacement for X, especially for niche use cases like DWL or keychords.

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Never is my own opinion.
I think it's more likely that something else will be created that replaces X than that Wayland ever will.
Wayland is flawed in too many ways imho. Although it has its uses. Using Gamescope I'm finally able to play Elite Dangerous on triple monitors. Wayland in X tricks the game into believing the screen is 5760x1080.

It's a similar answer to "When will ipv6 fully replace ipv4".

Re: Will wayland ever be ready?

Reply #5 –
Systemd-free and Wayland are among the reasons I moved to Artix. My previous (non-systemd) distro was having difficulties with Wayland. We could only launch it via TTY.

Artix provided a good compromise with elogind.

YMMV but insofar my UX with Artix has been a pleasant one.
S6/Plasma

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Reply #6 –
Will Wayland be ready? I posit with another question, are HOAs ever going to be accepted?

I liken the design philosophy of Wayland and its dozens of protocols to a Home Owners Association, same with the state of user-developer communications. If everyone knows what's best for "security", nobody does. Rigid and downright bad design doesn't equal to greater security, it just means different security issues will haunt Wayland once it becomes feature complete... Which, by design, it will not. The attitude towards the state of accessibility for Wayland alone is abhorrent, aren't developers supposed to have an inclusive mindset?

Another question: Do I want the future of the Linux Desktop to be in the hands of people who neither use the Linux Desktop nor give any shits about it?

Re: Will wayland ever be ready?

Reply #7 –
I had been on wayland for about 6 months. Tried different compositors (sway, dwl, hyprland, river and niri). Is it usable? Yes, but..., with xwayland.  :)  w/o xwayland, many applications will fail. Will wayland ever be ready? It depends on if and how soon the applications will migrate to use wayland protocol.

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In my last 2 years I only used kde plasma wayland, I didnt have problems with it and did enjoy some wayland specific features they have. This was on multiple devices, like a minipc with touchscreen and integrated graphics or desktop with amd gpu and 4 screens with 3 different refresh rates. I need xwayland for about 2-3 apps, but those won't go away anytime. Obviously nvidia is nvidia, you won't get an iphone and then complain about it being closed down, it's the choice you make

Re: Will wayland ever be ready?

Reply #9 –
Nothing is really 'ready' in Linux (or any software for that matter). There will always be bugs and people will always have issues on different hardware. If Wayland doesn't work for you, use X. I'm not sure this thread is going to achieve anything.
HP Z640 - 72 x Intel Xeon E5-2699 v3 @ 2.30GHz, 128 GiB RAM, 4GiB + 32GiB NVIDIA

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Quote from: metwo – on
Nothing is really 'ready' in Linux (or any software for that matter). There will always be bugs and people will always have issues on different hardware. If Wayland doesn't work for you, use X. I'm not sure this thread is going to achieve anything.


I am sure this thread will not accomplish anything other than giving our biggest cranks a place to poison the space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrcbCW4y9Dw